One of our contributors is an ace researcher and she has done some great work collating evidence from official records and the results are pretty spectacular. She recently posted them in a reply to a comment, but I feel these are so important that they really deserve their own post - so please see again below... Let's hear it for our sisters Stateside!!! Enjoy and please let us know your thoughts...
If we look at the results of coed wrestling matches and analyse the statistics, when the results or normalized to scale the disparity in population size we see that girls, 2% of the wrestling population, even with all the gender discrimination they suffer, statistically win 60 matches out of every 100, a clear majority of 60% of the bouts. Going deeper, we see that as match ups being decided by weight divisions and due to the puberty gap where girls go through their growth spurts earlier than boys, quite often the genders compete on a playing field with a significant age gap. Basically there are a significant amount of middle school girls 13 years old or younger in their first or second year of wrestling taking on senior guys, 16, 17, 18 years old…basically young men who have been wrestling for 5 or 6 years. You would expect a senior male wrestler to be able to overpower a girl this age but that's not what happens. The girls win convincingly even against the top talent level, the statistics still hardly change, and the girls crush them! They win most of those matches 59 to 100 59% age gap practically makes no difference!
Now here’s where the statistics look even worse for the guys. It was always a fear that in mixed gender bouts the female ran a great risk of being badly injured, however results show that is males who are at greater risk. In a study of 203 mixed gender bouts, 7 ended in reports of injury medical attention for the losing wrestler (including dislocated shoulders and cracked ribs). None of this 7 was female, all the injured were guys. Of the 7 injuries 2 were when senior boys ended up getting wrecked at the hands of junior female wrestlers! To summarise what these stats mean, given equal participation when you take a team of 10 trained female wrestlers against equally trained men you can bet money on at least a 7-3 female victory some of the men will in all certainty be carried off the mat on a stretcher. Train a team of 10 13 year old girl wrestlers and match them against equally trained adult males 6 of the men will loose and again stretchers will be needed. To really hammer the point of female supremacy take a moment to imagine the carnage our squad of 13 year old sisters would inflict upon a group of men who can’t wrestle! Female power unleashed! Put an untrained man against a girl wrestler and he would get hurt bad! Considering how little attention and training and discrimination girl wrestlers get compared to boys the stats show man’s oldest sport is beginning to belong solely in the realms of the female! And now matches where girls as young as 12 demolish senior year boys, 17/18 year olds - men in fact, in less than 30 seconds are becoming more and more frequent and normal. Maybe society should not wonder whether women can compete with men, but question whether due to male inadequacy and frailty if it's unfair to let men even try to 'compete' with the girls.Bottom line, girls rule :D
Link to illustration of full fight - Cassy vs Kyle
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Link to illustration of full fight - Cassy vs Kyle
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I can well believe it. A couple of years ago I was playing around in the corridor with my 13 year old sister in law ('you can't get past' kind of thing). She had been weight training for softball for some months. I was amazed how easily she pushed a 30 year old man against the wall, time and again, and then she bent my hands back in a game of mercy while doing it. The grip strength was incredible, and I thought that was a weak point for women. She was big, but I was much taller. I guess that's the difference training can make. I made my excuses and slunk away from the spectators!
ReplyDeleteWell there you go....scary huh?
DeleteI have an idea: next time a girl does this to a guy, first of all make sure it is dark (preferably nighttime) and the girl is wearing fangs. That's when you 'll understand what true fear is. I 've made three guys faint that way.
DeleteAnd this beating of men happens all over the world, for instance last year at a wrestling event in India, NehaTomar, a 17 year old girl, stepped out and challenged all the men. At first everyone ignored her but she persisted and the wrestler Sonu Pehelvan, a highly experienced man in shape and in his prime who outweighed her by 16 kg (that’s 2.5 stone!) accepted her challenge. The well-built highly skilled man got soundly beaten by the teenage girl who dominated the match from the start. Within 10 min with ‘comparative ease’ she had defeated him
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jviJb3RTWDY
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/17-yr-old-girl-beats-male-wrestler-wins-hearts/articleshow/44370382.cms
If you stop and consider the ‘form’ of the 2 wrestlers in this match up this should really hit home the reality of female supremacy, assuming Neha is say 59kg that would make her a novice super feather weight, at 17 she is still a year off being an adult - still not yet a woman and she is facing a highly trained and experienced A class semi pro 74kg super middle weight man in peak physical condition. A novice super featherweight vs an A class semi pro super middleweight - you would say of course the super middle weight wins. Add into the mix that the novice feather weight is a teenage girl while the super middle weight is a top rated man and contemporary thinking would say that it is no competition, the man wins. Yet as Xaan says actually the statistics say the smart money will always be on the girl. Then we read the match report and yes true to statistical form, the smart money pays dividends, not only did she win, she won easy!!! Fem supremacy, Girl>>man, xx >>xy, female victory, girls superior, girls rule!!!! :D :D :D
DeleteThanks for the interesting post - yeah I've stumbled upon quite a few Indian mixed wrestling matches on the internet and the results seem to be consistant with those from the US - i.e a high win rate for the girls! Kind of surprising that mixed bouts are allowed in India, given that the prevailing culture there is misogynistic to say the least. - but anyway great to see. I've also read a number of stories recently about how experienced male boxers and kickboxers have suffered stunning defeats at the hands of much younger, less experienced girls. I think guys can come across as strong and tough when they fight other guys - it can certainly look impressive - but that's just it, guys were designed to fight other guys (for the right to mate) so their inadequacies cancel eachother out and they kind of make eachother look good if you see what I mean? When they fight girls - it's a different matter entirely, they often find to their great shock that they are simply outclassed in every department and go down with alarming ease. The best thing about this is that every time it happens, it makes more girls realise they can physically conquer a man and inspires some of them to give it a go - we need more of this!!
DeleteYes Xaan There are definitely differences in how guys and girls fight ‘boys start fights, girls finish them’ is a very true saying. Men fight on instinct to be top dog, to be a bully, to fight until the other guy goes down or gives up. Women typically have cultural societal rules imposed, wherein women are fragile, submissive, gentle, who don't fight. Then there's the biological drive (estrogen is greek for frenzy) that is true woman; fierce, wild untamed, a natural lethal predator - girls are wired to be mean and to hurt their opponent. Put men who are just simple bully boys against each other and yeah you can see some good competitive matches, now put them against fighting girls with the biological drive unleashed and you basically get dumb bullies vs raw instinctive killing machines - it’s a whole different story as evidenced in both the 7-0 injury statistic and clearly visible in the cassy v kyle match - from the offset you can see cassy establish her natural girl's physical strength and skill advantage , if she were a male with this advantage the match would probably be over with no trauma to kyle. Unfortunately for kyle, cassy is female and to her instincts he is threatening to her, she is only a junior girl but she has been told to combat a state finalist high school freshman – a danger - so her unconscious reaction is to destroy him, and that’s precisely what happens – brutally!
DeleteFemale ability levels in combat sports have been growing at an exponential rate; consider how recently it is that women have been allowed to seriously compete in competitive combat sports i.e. Women’s wrestling was only added to the modern Olympics in 2004, boxing just 3 years ago in 2012!
At the start of the 21st century Competitive intergender combat contests were extremely rare and they tended to involve larger women matched against smaller semi trained men and of course the women won e.g. I believe in 1999 the first ever modern sanctioned professional boxing match between a male and a female took place in Seattle, USA. The male boxer was Loi Chow a respected boxing coach from Canada so still highly trained but he was smaller than the female boxer, Maggie MacGregor from the USA. It was scheduled for four rounds and naturally the female won! Maggie was awarded a unanimous points decision!
Within a few years of that we were seeing women matched against even sized and experienced men and still the female wins, today while still only representative of 2% of the martial arts population (assuming that this wrestling proportion is representative) we are seeing smaller younger less trained less experienced females in accredited competitions, verifiably reported seen and recorded, taking on the best biggest strongest men around, beat the crap out of them and still not find it too difficult.
And for sure girls are getting wise to this, look at the cheerleaders faces in the photos of the cassy/kyle match, the elite state finalist wrestler kyle gets mangled at the hands (and scissors) of cassy infront of them - how many of them do you think were inspired to do the same after seeing the fun cassy was having as she clobbered the tough alpha male, the ones that do get motivated, with their background in gymnastics and dance from cheerleading, well these will be man killers in no time!
Yes Hellfire Queen if Neha is allowed to carry on her training and receive proper quality training for the next 4/5 years into her early 20s she will be fem force! But I wonder if any man will now accept anymore of her challenges since it has been publicised that she has already shown the male participants present at that event that women are better than men and can surpass them in strength and at the sport of wrestling.
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DeleteThe only reason for potentially big differences of inter-gender results from country to country is the different amount of social conditioning each country gets. Unoppressed women will of course perform a lot better than oppressed ones. On the other hand, men are not oppressed anywhere, so there is a good comparison point. And as it turns out we don't have to oppress men to keep them down. On an equal playfield we are better, so why oppress them and leave room for doubt?
DeleteIn wrestling, one of the oldest and ‘most macho’ martial arts of them all, there is a long tradition of men getting bested by women in (this is not just restricted to wrestling btw, if you look at style of martial art you can find an instant in its history where a girl or woman has come along and beat the best guys in that art around at that time). These statistics carry on that tradition and prove that when girls learn the best way to utilize the physical advantages of the female body, in martial arts such as wrestling they quickly find that men can be easily beaten.
ReplyDeleteThere is so much mostly untold history of this; wrestling is the national sport in Mongolia and is listed as one of the "Three Manly Skills". Now Mongolian wrestlers wear a tunic called a jodag. The front is open but tied at the bottom with a simple string knot, exposing the chest to ensure that the wrestler is not female. The jodag was brought in after a woman disguised herself as a man, entered the national wrestling festival and proceeded to deliver resounding beatings to all the male combatants, defeating them one by one, even breaking one man's back, and easily won the championship after which she ripped open her tunic to reveal her breasts, showing everyone that the top men had all been beaten by a girl. From that day, a group one of some of the best wrestlers in the world began to wear the jodag to prove they are men because they were petrified that another girl will come along and beat them up again (they also suspect that other girls had probably done it before in previous tournaments without revealing their true identity)
In Africa wrestling is an ancient tradition amongst the women of mountain tribes inhabiting Southern Sudan. Unlike contemporary African wrestling, the ancient mountain wrestling was a sport that involved not only men against men but also male against female. The ww2 photographer Leni Riefenstahl travelled to Africa to document the mountain tribes in Sudan, and she was most impressed “This was a society which shows women can be stronger than men, in fact it is a commonly held belief amongst them that "women are stronger" and to suggest otherwise would be ridiculous” “whilst still definitely female and feminine, in all my travels I've never seen a man as strong as these women." Mixed wrestling matches, part of a kind of celebration of physical perfection and health, were often an aspect of the courtship process – the suitor boys had to wrestle the girl they wanted to be with. Female victory was always the outcome. Success in this courting didn’t depend on whether the suitor boys win or not (it was a foregone conclusion that they will be girlhandled) but on how well they take the beating they receive at the hands of the stronger girls. Unfortunately due to the rise in patriarchal religious persecution this tribal way of life has all but died out now
(comment contd) In the US In the late 1800’s and early to mid 1900’s as part of local carnivals, Catch Wrestlers would take on all challengers as part of the “athletic show” where locals could stand a chance to win cash if they could pin or submit the carnivals wrestler. The carnival's wrestlers had to prepare for the worst kind of unarmed assault and sometimes needed to end the wrestling match with any tough local quickly and decisively via submission known as a hook. There are no points for position in Catch Wrestling, the only ways to win a match are to pin or submit your opponent using one of the many fast and aggressive hooks It was a popular sport that early on featured predominantly veterans of the Civil War who had wrestling and fighting skills but lacked an appropriate outlet in which to showcase them. They would join these traveling carnivals and go from town to town offering to fight the local tough guys. It is here in these isolated towns in the deepest mid-west that we find the pioneers of modern women’s wrestling, the Bozark and the farm girl wrestler. We still today have the classic farm girl cliché of course (e.g. elly may in the Beverly hillbillies), a kind of rural girldom; whilst sporting girlish pigtails these farm girls were often very tomboyish and aggressive. Extremely handy with fighting/wrestling and lifting heavy, among other things, having to be physically active and such from childhood – These were girls who could actually wrestle and were frightening strong from throwing hay bales day in day out. They often struck fear in the travelling catch wrestlers who when the carnival hit town would take on all comers yet quickly close the show if any farm girls stepped forward. Some of these girls though found employment joining the carnival as a wrestler, they became known as Bozarks, the carnival fighting girls and like the men would box or wrestle all comers. In the carny community the Bozarks were greatly feared and revered, the wrestling adage went, ‘a good big guy will always beat a good small guy, but a Bozark will beat anyone’. While the legacy of the Bozark is being kept alive by the resurgence of modern western women’s wrestling, the folklore and stories of the Bozarks unfortunately are fast becoming a forgotten memory due to oral traditions dying out it is hard to find much resources on them, but here is a link to a photo of a Bozark standing on a platform next to 2 male catch wrestlers, ready to take on all comers. She is smaller than the guys but even in this old photo (1930’s I’m guessing) you can really get a sense of the aura of power and intimidation she exudes
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So let’s go girls lets lift, wrestle, box, kickbox, learn karate, tkd, judo and take on the guys, show them how badass we can be, show them female superiority!
Hi Xaan the stat is interesting cloud you show me the source of the stat link where the researcher get from. I have no idea how to find that.
ReplyDeleteI believe this is her own work from studying the results on official score cards and records of individual wrestlers - which are all available online. If she sees your comment, she may be able to point you in the right direction.....
DeleteHi Xaan here is my stat that found over the web.
Deletehttp://www.fscclub.com/thoughts/he-she-mat-e.shtml
I also found other 2 link that have the similar results. but I didn't bookmark it because it similar result from the difference research.
So first of all when approaching data for modeling, some standard procedures should be used to prepare the data for modeling- The data should be normalized /standardized
Delete“Data should be normalized or standardized to bring all of the variables into proportion with one another. For example, if one variable is 100 times larger than another (on average), then your model may be better behaved if you normalize/standardize the two variables to be approximately equivalent… if normalized/standardized, then the coefficients will reflect meaningful relative activity between each variable” (http://www.benetzkorn.com/2011/11/data-normalization-and-standardization/)
Following the given link to fscclub, it says out of 203 mixed gender bouts the boys won 170 (84% of mixed gender bouts) and the girls 33 (16% of mixed gender bouts). At first this doesn’t look impressive for the girls, BUT in 2009 (1 year later) there were 6000 girls wrestling at the high school level in the U.S. compared to 275,000 boys, (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2675786/posts), This is just 2% of the wrestling population.
So with 2% of the wrestling population winning 16% of the bouts, (already crudely you can see that if at equal proportions 2% of the population should win 2% of the fights - you can see that at an unnormalized 16% the girls already win statistically more than expected) lets standardize the statistics to bring all variables of the data into proper alignment for what you would find given a 50/50 population spread. A very easy way to do this is to plot a graph, % population against % victories. 2 % against 16 is one point and for another you can say 100% of the population will win 100% of the fights right? Draw the graph and a straight line between the points and look where the line lies at the 50% population point and the win the win % is 60!
This is actually in spot on agreement with the original analysis :) girls would win 60% of mixed gender matches i.e. given the number of competitors the girls are pasting the guys! (sorry if this is a bit in depth, but this is university level data analysis)
The link doesn’t look at the injuries (funny that) which hit the girls success home, and also it is worth bearing in mind the gender discrimination that exists, girls still do NOT get equal opportunity in wrestling by any stretch of the imagination. Girls are constantly being subject to unreasonable standards and discriminatory attitudes. For instance at grass roots level girls are often segregated off into their own little corners receiving little or no instruction from the coaches, interaction is often limited to when the girls make a mistake so the coach can despair at them. In matches referee bias amongst the predominantly male officials results in episodes where they won’t score a point or call a pin or wait so long to call pins that you have the guy flailing like an idiot (counterproductive in a way because the ref is only prolonging the male's agony and putting him at higher risk of injury) because it is a girl beating a boy, or prematurely call a pin in the boy’s favour. If you consider this you can see that with proper fairness female victory would be even more outstanding.
The comment that just 46 girls have qualified at state levels in co-ed wrestling competitions is also without validation, roughly put if you roll an un biased dice 6 times you would expect to get a 6 at least once (likely but not definite). 6 6’s is extremely but not impossible. Correct? So at 2% you can say that once at every 50 years you should see a female state champ, yet in only a few years there have already been at least 6! It is obvious from this that the guys are getting hammered and it will not be long before this generation of female wrestlers get to university, reach and win decisively at state level!
This is an example of the types of injuries guys incur from being on the receiving end of a beating at the hands of a girl in a competitive wrestling match,
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Here we see Kelly Golek destroying 3 guys, but it is the first male, an 18 year old young man, who was especially brutalised - Kelly’s victory is declared a win by injury default – the 16 year old girl (cruelly) tortures, bends and breaks the blokes body at will almost snapping his neck!
And here is an example of gender discrimination which is holding the girls back and ultimately preventing them from competing successfully in the university leagues.
https://www.change.org/p/let-girls-wrestle-equality-for-amanda-leve
http://womensenews.org/story/athleticssports/131105/teen-wrestler-in-philly-pinned-title-ix-clause
http://www.phillyfit.com/images_phillyfit2/22-23%20PhillyFIT%200912.pdf
Honestly, this is the first time I see someone apologise for using University level methods. Kind of makes me sad for the society we live in.
DeleteSometimes you have to put it into the simplest most basic language so that the masculinists who go on here can understand, even then they have difficulty :D
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DeleteOh yeah, hadn't thought of that detail. Once again, great thinking by our anonymous friend:) Our Queen is also correct. Especially the statement in brackets is so emphatically true...
DeleteHere is another graphic example of the injuries even highly trained men receive in grappling competitions with girls
Deletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzLcY1bEjcc
The man is a high grade bjj practioner in a no gi fight against a teen girl, he secures the takedown but can only hold top position for a short while until she sweeps him to his back and it becomes very apparent that for all his skills he is in way over his depth. The look on his face as she totally controls him and he realises he is going to lose badly to a girl is priceless. But as he struggles I think he annoys the girl and she is mean! at 2.05 after only 2 minutes of combat, she snaps his arm like a dry twig! As he groans in pain she looks concerned, she checks him then gives a little satisfied nod of her head while all the onlookers gap in shocked silence, girl power! Girl victory! Girl dominance! the man is lead from the mat to get medical attention while the ref raises the girls arm in victory, it is a shame her back is to the camera at this point, a very brutal victory by a teen girl over a highly trained bigger man! xx > xy girls beat men girls rule xD Awesome :D
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ReplyDeleteI think the reason why boy tend to lose girl is quit appeal to me that.
When boy fight against girl they tend to not use their lower part of the body. While the girls use their whole body. you can see in most of the youtube video that even in an importance match like state match. I have an evident to show you.
Here is the match between Destiny Nunez and Aiden Menchaca.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOORgJJv650
0.55, 1.50, 2.53, 3.13, 3.41, 4.37, 4.56,
All of these time is that when the girl dominate boy they align their body in such a better position by keep their full body and pull more weight on their centre of their body
[0.55, 2.53, 3.13] Show that Girl’s hip tight closely with boy’s bottom
[1.50] Girl’s hip tight closely with boy’s side
[3.41, 4.37, 4.56] Nunez push more weight on center of hers body where the boy bottom is. It a good posture because your opponent cannot escape easily in this technic. Menchaca lose much of his energy during this time. You not see this much for boys to use this technic against girls in any fight.
6.19, 6.53, 7.26, 7.32, 7.59, 8.06
[6.19] Menchaca have a chance to use his centre of the body against Nunez but he decide not to do so. Because doing so the boy’s penis will rub with girl bottom. Well umm I can imagine that rubbing dick with girl in the fight. I might cannot control it when my dick getting bigger to become more noticeable to the audience. That really awkward. Girl have no idea how boy have to cope with or feel with in this situation because they don’t have this problem.
[6.53, 7.26, 7.32,] You can see that Menchaca hip float over her bottom he try to keep his centre body away form her. It harder for him to make Nunez stall in this way.
[7.59, 8.06] This the most obvious one that Menchaca want to avoid to push his weight on the centre of his body against girl bottom. He seem to struggle by try to pin her with this uncomfortable technic. He also lose more of energy than hers. Not pushing weight on his centre of body against her. This will allow more chance of Nunez’s lower body free to move. She can escape from him a lot more easier.
I’m sure that most of these boy who participate in these event never have a chance to wrestling with girl or have it but not so many time like this girl do with boys.
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ReplyDeleteWhy boy not using their lower body against girl is that because of most of them will feel uncomfortable to let their dick rubbed with the stranger girl body. Their are mixed of feeling with that from shy to embarase or even guilty. I imagine my self wresting with a women I tend to avoid that to. but if I have do it regularly I might use to with it and can get rid all of those feeling.
With boy sexual organ exposed outside of their body and also it will getting noticable when they arouse. When that happen during the match that would lead to distraction from focusing on the fight even feel embarase to the audient and that the akward moment, but for the girl their genitial is not noticable like men even if they getting arouse it not noticable at all so this will not lead to any distraction for the girl. They can focus on the match most of the time during the fight.
The picture you show above ( Cassy vs Kyle ) is another evident that girl can feel free to use their whole body against their opponent. It not because boy cannot do that but they are not using such a technic in the first place against girl or they just decide not to use it at all. Base on the above reason. How many time you see any guy do that with girl. I found none. Some of you might said that yep I've seen that but like I said it not the first choice among boys to use that technic againts girl. While their girl counterpart can use any available best technic any time when they have a chance. This could lead to a big disadvantage for boy when wrestling with any talent girl.
In fight like this you don’t need to be stronger than your opponent all you have to do is align your body in the good position that you can take full advantage of your body against your opponent and you will have a high chance to win.
In some conclusion girls wrestler build up their strength to beat against boy. Girl also have more flexible and tend to use their full body during the match and also have wrestling with so many boys. While most boy not have much chance to wrestling with girl due to the number of girl participate. When they face with girl they don’t know what they are facing with. They are facing with the wrestler that has strength with more flexible, more weapon (talent girl have skill with full body from arm to legs), more technic (using all part of their body during the fight you can release more technic)
I think many boys can win against talent girl if they build their flexibility, and using more of their full body. Practicing, using more on leg technics. and complete with more girls. Doing this they can also improve their performance against girl in the match.
While the girls power has been unleash against boys. Most of boys power against girl still has not fully unleash.
Interesting and detailed analysis. I would say that the reason boys tend to lose to girls is purely because the girls are better wrestlers and at this age group they are stronger than boys too. I would also argue that the reason boys don't seem to use their lower body as much, is because it is just not effective given the difference in lower body geometry and strength. Girls have a natural advantage here. As I have said many times - whenever a boy puts a leg scissor hold on a girl, it never amounts to much. But when a girl gets a boy in a leg scissor hold - it is pretty much ALWAYS game over for the boy. I don't think it has anything to do with wanting to avoid sexual arousal. The male erection is an involuntary reaction so after all wouldn't a teenage boy feel every bit as awkward with his "dick rubbing" up against another boy's lycra clad body? Still you don't see an increased use of lower body when boy fights boy. The sport of wrestling is a close body contact sport and most competitors are just concentrating on not being the loser.
Delete1. I would say that the reason boys tend to lose to girls is purely because the girls are better wrestlers and at this age group they are stronger than boys too.
DeleteI agreed that girls are better at wrestling because they have more technic and use their whole body in an effective way. But I have to argue that girl this age are stronger than boy. Here is the results of girl and boy weight lifter that I found on the internet.
Like wrestling. Weight lifting is adjust by weight.
Here is the link of girl stat on 119lb weight class
http://www.fhsaa.org/sites/default/files/orig_uploads/sports/weightlifting-girls/archives/2014-15/state/119_final_0.pdf
Boy stat on 119lb weight class
http://www.fhsaa.org/sites/default/files/orig_uploads/sports/weightlifting-boys/archives/2014-15/state/2015_119_2a_final.pdf
You can find all stat here
http://www.fhsaa.org/sports
And the results pattern is the same that boys can bare more weight than girls
In running stat boy also running faster than girl too you can easily find it everywhere over the net.
I also have heard that girl have more lower body strenght.
If I'm not wrong running is rely on lower body strenght (legs) so if girl have more lower body strenght than boy how come boy run faster than girl. So can I assume that girl have more lower body strenght in compare to their upper body strenght but not compare to boy. While boy have more of their upper body strenght in compare to their lower body. But if we compare strentht of both sex overall boys also have lower and uper body strenght more than girls.
In weight lifting no chicken legs would be qualify to final round. You cannot rely only upper body strenght. Before you raise your hand you have to standup to lifting weight. and at the same weight from this example 119lb where it is equal to light weight wrestler. Boy still lift heavier than girl by far.
Saying that girls wrestlers at this age group stronger than boy might not quite accurate. Because from the data above. Can we just simply conclude that boy are stronger than girl.
Well there is an adage that says you can use statistics to “prove” anything you want and I’m afraid the studies you quote are a classic case in point. We know nothing about the ages of the girls and boys. We know nothing about the demographic. We know nothing about the background or experience of the two groups and we know nothing about the conditions of the so-called test. All we really know is the heaviest weight lifted by each individual once, in two disciplines suggested by yourself as being the ultimate indicators of strength. The weightlifting moves mentioned are for explosive, singular linear moves. They take no account of strength endurance, overall body strength or stamina – all of which would need to be considered if you are to get a true comparison of strengths between the genders. So I’m afraid your “evidence” really isn’t much use here.
DeleteAs for running (sprinting) a bit short on details here and I would point out that being a fast sprinter requires more than just leg strength. The upper body is also employed in the action of sprinting as is the cardio vascular capacity. If Usain Bolt kept his arms by his sides it would probably take him twice as long to finish the 100 or 200m. Girls are on average shorter than guys so are at a natural disadvantage overall when it comes to sprinting faster than boys. That said Usain Bolt’s record for the 100m is 09.58 seconds. The fastest woman Shelley- Ann Price is 10.78. – Only 1.2 seconds behind. When you consider that she is a diminutive 5’0” and Mr. Bolt is a whopping 6’5” do you honestly think she would still be slower than him if she were the same height?
Some advice: Studies found on the internet can appear to show some interesting things, but if you dig a little deeper, you will often find that they are flawed in some way. The data is often subjective or you can find that the research is conducted by, or paid for by someone or an organization with a vested interest or an ulterior motive. No study will ever trump your real life experience. There is so much evidence of girls competing with and beating boys in combat sports available today and it cannot be dismissed as merely down to better technique. To be good in any combat sport you do need to develop good technique, but you also need skill, strength and stamina and more girls are finding that they are out-classing boys in all of these areas. So to answer your question “Can we just conclude that boys are stronger?” Absolutely not!
I’m afraid I can’t publish your other comments because they just don’t make any sense. But to summarize from what I can gleam form them, you appear to be saying that the reason boys don’t use leg scissor holds on eachother is because of an unspoken, unwritten law that all boys just know, which prohibits them from doing so? That would be very strange considering girls are showing them just how effective scissor holds can be – yet all boys just chose not to use them out of some gentlemanly agreement???? Don’t they want to win more matches? Or isn’t it just more true to say that they just can’t execute strong enough body scissor holds? Where I do agree with you is that boys (males) are hard-wired to concentrate on upper body when in combat situations in any case.
I am also highly amused by your notion that a boy having an erection during a match with another boy is quite OK, but to have one during a match with a girl is a fate worse than death - REALLY?? I’m not sure many guys would agree with you on that.
Happy to debate further but please keep your posts a bit shorter…..
I have seen your latest response and you're right about one thing - I'm not going to publish it. This is because you have ignored my advice to keep it short. You continue to copy and paste all of the previous comment, you haven't attempted to address most of the points I made in my last post and have failed to take on board the futility of quoting unqualified, subjective, selective study results - Like I said before. You can use statistics to "prove" anything you like - and I know that's what you're saying about our statistics and that is fine, you are free to dis-believe them. However I would point out that our reference is not a study, it is a collation of official results, so has more credibility. And btw - the link was posted the next day by our researcher
DeleteWhat is clear to me is that you don't really want to debate, you are dead set in your view that all males are stronger than all females - well, good luck with that....
What kind of behaviour is this? No, of course we 'll not conclude that "boys are stronger" as long as our experience suggests otherwise. The reasons for girls to be stronger have been proved in much more detail, as Xaan correctly points out. Your opinion, and especially the way you want to force it, aims to strengthen the social conditioning against girls, which is part of the dreadful social phenomenon of the "unthinking mass" (we just conclude that boys are stronger and then life continues as if nothing happened). No, the world is not supposed to work like this. Straighten your behaviour. Now.
DeleteThe observation that girls utilise their entire bodies, upper and lower in perfect sync, is entirely correct, but the reason men cannot only use their upper and lower body together is due entirely to inadequacies in the male central nervous system. The ability for women to multitask and inability for men to is common knowledge and must surely be familiar to all, this transmutes very well to unarmed combat, a man will attack with his arm or his legs or one after another, but not at the same time, But female’s from birth are built multi-dextrous a woman can fight with her whole body, upper and lower strength combined in majestic harmony. Also men’s testosterone makes them aggressive in spurts, but the female will apply constant unrelenting pressure at a very high work rate - the way of the python or anaconda – the perfect fighting machine, and this is a good reason for why you find bigger highly trained vastly experienced males getting whopped by smaller younger less experienced trained females. – A trained male fighter is like a lion, the greatest predator on land, but put him in a shark tank and he’s just another meal. The water levels are rising and the lions are starting to get wet. The lions (men) are dead meat for the sharks (women).
DeleteYou also need to read the posts and comments on this blog detailing studies, science and evidence that soundly rebuke the men are stronger/faster fallacy (particully read women’s tehnical advatages and posts on such things as more evidence and running.
DeleteAs we pass through the 21st C we are beginning to completely rejected the notion of physical strength and muscle as the provenance of men and physical weakness the domain of women. Validated studies prove that women not only have stronger muscles per unit size than men (from 115 to 268% stronger - a well-trained woman can potentially possess strength 2.5 times greater than a man!), but also show women’s stronger muscles possess greater endurance and flexibility than the male counterpart, a woman can build a lot of size and power into her muscles, resulting in physical strength and speed far in excess to that achievable by any man.
A big factor in this is the presence of estrogen, Estrogens increase skeletal muscle force production because it allows muscle fiber activation - female muscle fibres are nearly 100% efficient in their activation while without the adequate quantities of estrogen male muscle only contracts less than 80% of it fibres. Also estrogen is the factor in myofibrillar hypertrophy – given the same training female muscles becomes stronger than male muscle but does not look it because the muscles are dense and strong but not swollen and inflated like a man’s (sarcoplasmic hypertropy by testosterone – larger muscle but vastly more in efficient due to fluid retention, dead weight) female muscle tissue is more resilient, flexible and contracts with more power and holds that power almost twice as long as male muscle. Women lack the mass to overpower men in most cases only due to lifestyle factors forced on them. women who are now training and building their latent strength are fast developing the muscle mass and ability to becoming stronger than men and destroy them in contests
A few quotes from some sports science text books,
“women have a greater potential for men for upper body strength and muscular development” – the science and practice of strength training by Zatsiroski and Kraemer
“The physical capability of females appears to be equal (if not superior) to males – Gendering bodies by Crawley, Foley, and Shehan
In the scientific literature which has analysed and contrasted the performance of elite female weightliters with males, it is now acknowledged that women’s technique is the major culprit in terms of performance – in the clean and snatch the women flexed their knees significantly less and slower than men did during the transition phase. Women also dropped under the barbell during the turnover and catch phases significantly less and slower than men did. In contrast, women showed significantly greater muscle power outputs in the 2 phases (up to 60%). These differences between the 2 sexes imply that the raw physical strength of the women is greater than the men but they don’t lift as much because of the lower skill level of women in comparison with men, which is partly because of the recent participation of women in weightlifting and partly due to the level of coaching and funding they receive. A good source to read is the demasculisation of strength by Charniga
So tough luck all you misogynist and masculinists, Facts prove that the female is biologically the superior organism, comparing the male and female bodies are like comparing a fiesta to a Ferrari!
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DeleteGot to love how the masculinist got the dappa-doopa out of the argument xD Equal playfield rules:)
DeletePwned! Ha ha Girls rule :D
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DeleteExactly because girls manage very well on "uneven terrains" as our Queen says, I think all we need is an equal playfield. That's why I tried to stress out the importance of an equal playfield. Our Queen has also made a very good placing: we do rule on equal playfields. I think it's pretty logical to deduce, don't you think so?
DeleteOK I'll try to keep it short
ReplyDeleteIt's apparent to me that you just want to win me in argument by keep ignoring nummer of fact and also point out my point too far from what I try to point you to make it even stupid.
Look back to the links I gave you about the wrestling. That even not a world class, even not a state records, It's just a data from a single high school. I also point you narrow enought to the class of 119lbs that equivalent to the light weight class of wrestler. You also ignore the senctence I said that " the results pattern is the same that boys can bare more weight than girls". Because if you search on google with key word "high school weight lifting stat" you will find a list of data from difference schools that have the same pattern combine all of those data you will have a data that big enough to estimate the strenght of girls and boys full body strenght.
With running I'm not dig it deep for you because you can use the same method to do so by only change keyword from "high school weight lifting stat" to "high school running stat" that what I try to point you. But you the one to point it to the wrong direction.
Also I'm not mention anything about to use world records to find the thuth. In running >I'm not going to do that like you do by comparing Usain Bolt to Shelley- Ann Price. In men running the person this height just begin to unleash their potential to beat a smaller guy. In the past (not quite long ago) if you see it more in detail the top runner are usually are smaller one. Last decade we human tend to think that the smaller person are the better runner but now more and more person like Usain Bolt win in men event. We just raise the question that should we separate person by height also in running to make it more fare.
I also have some advice for you:
1. Studies found on the internet can appear to show some interesting things, but if you dig a little deeper, you will often find that they are flawed in some way. The data is often subjective or you can find that the research is conducted by, or paid for by someone or an organization with a vested interest or an ulterior motive.
2. Because it on the internet doesn't mean that it's true. The data you gave in your main post look really like she make it up you stat also stat that "I believe this is her own work from studying the results on official score cards and records of individual wrestlers - which are all available online. If she sees your comment, she may be able to point you in the right direction....." But still you have no idea where idea where the link is. What more when I trying to search I found this.
103 lbs (104 bouts): boys win 86 times (83%),
girls win 18 times (17%)
112 lbs (47 bouts): boys win 38 times (81%),
girls win 9 times (19%)
119 lbs (26 bouts): boys win 22 times (85%),
girls win 4 times (15%)
130 lbs (12 bouts): boys win 12 times (100%),
girls win 0 times (0%)
135 lbs (7 bouts): boys win 6 times (86%),
girls win 1 time (14%)
152 (7 bouts): boys win 6 times (86%),
girls win 1 time (14%)
the links I also gave you in the previos post
Even so I'm still not believe in those data. Like I said if there are no links reference to point me out to the original post/source I still have a skeptic on that.
3. Tell the the women who make the data that it will be more credible if you not end the research number with 0 like 60, 70. If not the cheap commercial ad will still look a lot more beleivable than the data you gave.
I'm sure you not even dare to public this link to the world ;)
The weight classes you show us have very irregular distances to each other. Sounds like some weight classes are missing. The biggest gaps are from 135 to 152 (17) and then right in the middle of the list (130-119=11). Waiting for you to explain that. Constantina
Deleteoops soz, I don't know that much about cars as you can probably tell (I'm not even sure what a noble is lol) but you get my meaning :)
ReplyDeletelooking forward to reading your driving techniques article when you post it, this blog with your insights is becoming THE resource for female empowerment and superiority, it's funny I was at a social gathering this weekend and a discussion arose between the guys and gals about who was stronger. After me and my bff whooped the guys asses arm wrestling (as you do :p ) I told everyone to check out this website so more women hopefully will read and be motivated to be empowered and more guys can learn the science behind their comparative weakness and so get to grips with their ineptitude :D
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DeleteI absoloutely LOVE LOVE LOVE this blog!! I've beaten every guy I have ever wrestled and I love seeing the looks on their faces when they realise they are losing to a girl. My older brother is 2 years older than me and I beat him in arm wrestling and can kick his ass anytime I like YES!!!! Pleeeeass keep up the good work spreading the word!
ReplyDeleteYou are such an inspiration thanks for all your posts, it's Ace right??? I love reading your stuff! I wrestle in high school and TBH beating guys is pretty easy and becoming un-challenging. I would love to go up against a fully grown man (like Ella in the comic book) that would be totally awesome but I guess I would have to join BJJ club or something to roll with older guys?
DeleteAww Thanks, and you go girl!!! I think you’ll find with your wrestling ability and developing strength even the toughest alpha males going won’t be too much of a challenge, but the first time you beat one is the best feeling especially if you are able to go to town a bit and really destroy him :D I was relatively old (21) when I proper beat up my first man, different to competiton fight because it was a self-defence situation when my ex (who was supposed to be a total tough nut) attacked me. I have spoke about it before but yeah the power I felt as crumpled beneath me, I have never had such a feeling of elation and ecstasy my body felt electric. I screamed like Xena this was my real epiphany moment of female superiority that proper set me on the path of female dominance, this was the moment when i felt I had truly become a woman xD As far as rolling went, beating up men was a lot more civilised, it was awesome though, I tapped out my first black belt man in judo randori when I was still a green belt, I was a bit more restrained then lol but I still made it last as long as I could just to see him panic a bit xD
DeleteYes BJJ or Judo will both give you those opportunities, and with your wrestling base, well this is a fantastic foundation for any martial art, you should make good progress, another thing you may think trying could be catch wrestling, which is the perfect progression from freestyle wrestling where you learn how to incorporate the locks and hooks from the wrestling movement, you don’t need a gi either, catch wrestling would also mean carrying on the tradition of the bozark (Victorian female carnival wrestlers who were BAD ASS!!). Let us know how your journey of grrrl power goes, and well speaking for xaan here, but feel welcome to join in the discussion on any of the posts :)
Don’t get me wrong I respect girls, love girls. It’s good girls break the mold and compete in a man’s sport like wrestling. Much respect. I never thought girls could be so strong. Guys are taught that we’re better than girls at physical things, and then we get given beatings on the mat. But it’s not fair, girls shouldn’t be allowed to compete in our leagues. I wrestle currently in high school, have been for 4 years, I’m now a 12 th grader in my final year before college, I see how much the girls win, I’ve wrestled girls plenty and still yet to beat 1. Girls r the stronger sex for sure I admit that. Female wrestlers are terrifying. But it’s not right, high school wrestling has turned into sanctioned boy bashing with the girls deliberately going out to hurt us. We are allowed to get given beatings on the mat some of which can be really bad. It’s wrong. In my first match against a girl I was 4 and 0 in my debut year then I went up against a girl who had never competed before, she cried before the match she really looked like she didn’t want to be there, so stupidly I didn’t forfeit because I thought it would be an easy win, 4 straight wins out of 4 I thought I was good, but it wasn’t even close, She completely controlled the match and held me in the defensive almost the whole time until eventually I was pinned, she was better and a lot stronger than me. I gave it my best but she was better. After I lost to her I cried and would of probably given up wrestling then, but she was actually the only girl I wrestled who wasn’t a bitch about it, she came up to me after and said I did good as did her coach. Every other girl I’ve wrestled has been a total bitch just big on verbally and physically humiliating us and inflicting injuries. And then they wonder why we forfeit! Yes I will admit that forfeiting is an excuse because we know we have lost already, I can’t forfeit because I stupidly accepted my first match, which has led to incidents like last season when I got matched against a 7 th grade middle school girl who was pathological - Intent on inflicting pain on me simply because I was a senior boy. she got me in a cradle hold cranking my leg and neck so tight I thought I was going to pass out from the pain she was deliberately causing me as she whispered in my ear a barrage of taunts and trash talk. I was lucky I didn't get badly injured! ok wrestling is considered a ‘no mercy’ sport, but this was mere slaughter and not about wrestling. She just handed me a one sided beating that was simply sadistic - she should have been dq’d it was assault even! I can’t imagine the reactions if it was the other way round, at 155 lbs she wasn’t a dainty flower, but who has sympathy for a 11 th grade senior varsity wrestler almost murdered by a 12 year old girl? It’s just wrong!
ReplyDeleteI have even been at boys tournaments where in some weight divisions all 3 spots on the winners podium were occupied by girls. One tournament there were only 3 girls entered, all in the same weight class, we didn’t want them there, because they shouldn’t off been there so we all agreed not to forfeit and to try and give them hell, well unfortunately we fell short ok we should not feel ashamed as we gave it our best and were simply defeated by a group of superior wrestlers who, on that day, happened to be all girls, but not only did the girls wipe us out they were so unsporting in victory they even wore tutus as they hijacked the podium to gloat at their victory over us while beaten up and bruised all over we had to watch, and they didn’t even get reprimanded for it!! There are females that delight at seeing a girl hurt a boy, and make him cry. It makes me angry it’s wrong, it’s our sport, girls should leave us alone wrestle in your own leagues! Rant over, peace
I’m sorry but your post sounds very like ‘I’m not misogynist but...’ which obviously means you are - ‘I like girls…but you are all bitches!’ WTF!!! Oh you are so magnanimous when you admit girls are stronger than boys, but it’s hardly like you can deny it is it? You say it’s not fair that we are beating you, yet by your own admission you only took your first match against a girl because she was crying and you thought you could beat on her easy!! Well that didn’t work did it lol. ‘Sanctioned boy bashing’ you play the victim card, but it seems like you wouldn’t have a problem if you weren’t losing, you seem like a bully. The girls wearing tutu’s on the stadium is unsporting really? Whats so sporting about saying it’s your tournament girls shouldn’t be allowed to enter? Whats so sporting about all the boys deciding beforehand to gang up on the girls? Beating the crap out of you all before wearing tutu’s on a podium is probably getting off lightly – you’re lucky to not off been stretchered out! Poor didums got girl handled by a 7th grader? From what you have been saying, it makes me wonder what you did to vibe her out before the match to cause her to act that way. You even have the nerve to describe wrestling as a man’s sport – oh really man’s oldest sport maybe, but it’s been perfected by girls!!!! Get in the sea! Xx>>xy #gurrrlzsmashguys #girrlzrule #girrrlpower. Ace
DeleteNo I didn’t say girls are bitches, I said you act like bitches when you beat us, YOU are boy bashing bullies who like to gloat! I don’t have a problem with girls who do what they are supposed to do, I am trying to be polite and courteous, it’s called manners which is obviously stupid because on this blog you are quite clearly all man haters. You say I am a bully, don’t make me laugh, you preach an agenda about infesting our planet with herculean amazons and reducing men to slaves, you even have beta boys supporting you. This is insane!!! Women are made by god to serve and obey men, women should be submissive and do what they are told, that is as it should be. I don’t mind women exercising, and trying things new, but it is not right that you are competing against us in sports like wrestling, beating us and hurting us. Men have always been the hunters while women stayed at home, society, nations and governments and families are all built upon men doing what they ought to do, to be the boss! I think you people just don't understand that the only reason god made female bodies stronger than mens is to do what GOD called you to do and that is so you can bear our children safely! RAISE a Family and take care of them! Your physical power is not supposed to be used for mans work, who cares if you can become better than us at wrestling and stuff – the bible tells us that before Eve there was Lilith who though soft looking and pretty on the outside, was horrific, a physical force of pure wild and unbridled, savage, brutal, vicious female destruction who overpowered Adam, beat him and sort to dominate and impose her authority over him! so God suppressed Lilith hid her evil ways deep into the psyche of the woman so that she became Eve and subjugated to Adam as was Gods intention. He enabled Adam to put her in her place, thankfully most women still know their place and will never dream of changing this, but you are attempting to return to a Lilith state and that goes against god! No I won’t get in the sea, you get in the kitchen!!!
DeleteThankyou for your interesting post - no really, I appreciate the way you put you views so candidly. I have to admit to having some sympathy for your position. In a way it actually isn't fair to let girls compete against boys at wrestling.... but not for the reasons that most might have thought. You feel agrieved because you are burdened with being amongst the first generations of males to have real girl power unleashed upon them, which means that you have to suffer an un-natural level of ridicule and humiliation due to the legacy of the patriarchal feminine ideal. All things considered this is completely undeserved and one day it won't even exist but in the meantime you are stuck with it.
DeleteOn the other hand it wouldn't be fair to deny girls the chance to fullfil their physical potential. Let's hope wrestling is just the start! We are not man-haters on this blog - far from it in fact. We are here to encourage females to acknowledge and explore thier natural superiority - to overcome the barriers that centuries of patriarchy have put in their way. If men want to get in the way of female progress then they will get hurt, this is a natural consequence, but it's their choice - it has nothing to do with man-hating.
The rest of your post is a bit Bible-bashy and the Bible is the official patriarchal handbook, so there's really no point preaching it or debating it here - though I have to say, I'd love to hear more about Lilith....Wasn't she in Frasier?
When you complain of un-fairness, you really ought to take a step back and look at the bigger picture. Men have nothing to complain about. If the tables are turning (and believe me they are) then it's about time. Men want everything their own way all the time - like you, on one hand admitting inferiority, on the other still giving orders.....come on - get real!
Never have I admitted inferiority ! A gorilla is stronger than a man and would annihilate you in wrestling, but no one says gorillas are the superior species. Even though you are able to physically surpass us you will never be above us. Females actions are purely governed by their emotions - you are incapable of rational thought and this is why you should never develop the prowess you wish since you can not control yourselves. Due to your poorer emotional state you should never be allowed to develop the strength and skills you are developing as evidenced by the way you brag on this blog and bully, gloat and cause physical harm to guys on the wrestling mat.
DeleteYou patronise and act like it's all such a joke beating us up. You are bully's simple when you train the same as us it is just your biological makeup for a strong body to sustain you on pregnancy that enables you your freakish, yes you are freaks, strength speed and agility. That and your witchy intuition make it so it is totally unfair for us. You call us bullies but we are not trying to get in the way of female 'progres' we let girls know they are not welcome wrestling or in the weights gym because we are trying to keep the natural state as intended by yes GOD!
Girls love it when they see our fear of them on the mats and if after beating a guy wrestler up he retires and never wrestles again, how is that decent? Well I'm not quitting and at some point I trust in the Lord that my gender will prevail and give me and other guys wrestling victory over the female! I trust the tables you want to turn never will. Like I said before the brutal state is men being stronger being the master and women should be sweet and servile cooling and cleaning in the house, beneath men is how it should be!
Normally I wouldn't allow such rabid, archaic misogyny on this blog, but I will indulge you a little on this occasion, purely because of the amusing way you present your views and because I'm not really sure you take yourself all that seriously either...a lot of things don't add up here. You seem to be suffering quite badly from a "God" delusion but surely if you read back what you have written, you can see it is littered with contradictions. You claim to love and respect girls... but apparently this is only on the condition that they are completely subservient and waive their right to any kind of self determination. You espouse such primative and biggoted views on girls and then wonder why they gloat when they beat you in physical contests... You admit that girls are the stronger sex, but then call them freaks...how can half the population be "freaks"? I guess you are just a boy struggling to come to terms with your inferiority to girls, I recognise the turmoil you are having - it's only natural....
Delete"Females...are incapable of rational thought" says the hysterical guy who believes in an invisible old bearded man in the sky and the and the poor translations of a bunch of misogynistic superstitious goat herders from a few thousand years ago... PMSL!!!! xD xD xD
DeleteLilith sounds awesome! I reckon she rocks hee hee
nothing more to add, Xaan sums it up in a nut shell :)
p.s. the cradle that the 7th grader put you in sounds like a move that is called okuri emi jimi in judo, nice ha ha xD xD xD
Deletethis video gives a demo of it at the 0.53 mark :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TScTJS-m_A
#smashtheguys xx>>xy :D
There is no god.
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Reading this part of the thread more carefully, I noticed the use of "go to the kitchen", so I have to let you all know that My Mistress has NEVER had to do anything in the kitchen (except to eat). I, the man, do the dishes and tidy up the place. She has stuff to do, who am I to steal her time?
DeleteNowadays, more men than you might think do (at least part of) the housework.
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Hi all,
ReplyDeleteI really loved reading this article, it was both thrilling and scary. Realizing that when you take a team of 10 trained female wrestlers against equally trained men, that you can bet money on at least a 7-3 female victory and that some of the men will in all certainty be carried off the mat on a stretcher. That was already a blow to the male ego but that a team of 10 13 year old girl wrestlers will even win against 6 equally trained adult men and that those adult men can also be carried of on a stretcher is even more scary. Not to speak of the fact that even 12 year old girls are apparently able to overpower a 17,18 year old boy in less then 30 seconds. I haven't seen anything on youtube for that but I believe you immediately. It means that we men are so weak compared to a well trained female athlete.
Great article and I love reading about the superiority of girls/women.
Regards,
Thank you, and these are facts and figures recorded and verified. undeniable female supremacy
Deletegirls are beating men up and doing it easily xD xD xD
#girlssrule #girlsarebest #menarewweakersex. x Ace
As a historical note the first documented case of a girl pinning a boy in legit wrestling was in 1985. America Morris pinned Russell Cain of Madison HS. At age 15 Morris’s fight against the highly touted and experienced Cain was her first and only match
ReplyDeleteCo-ed competition is still a no-win situation for females to get recognition. "If she loses, it's because she's a girl. If she wins, suddenly it’s assumed she'd wrestled a weaker, less skilled wrestler." Yet Cain outweighed Morris by two pounds and had been wrestling since he was a junior. Morris wasn’t even due to wrestle, but the regular wrestler for the team didn’t show up so they reluctantly had to put her in in his place. What happened next was pure girl power. She took control from the start, totally dominating him nearly finishing him by fall with a reverse cradle when the first period ended saving him, in the second period the massacre continued and after only 21 seconds she pinned him simply and efficiently with a half nelson. shockingly she was never given a team spot again, the next season she was told to make a weight both increasingly difficult for her to cut down to that was also free of other boys to match her against, yet even though she had the strength and skill, she was never allowed to compete at the higher weights she was comfortable at where there were loads of boys to compete against – shut out her historic victory was relegated to a novelty win
Wrestling is unique because allowing girls to compete against the guys strips the blinders off when we see how well the girls do. We see females are overwhelmingly superior! For the male gender the introduction of girls into wrestling has unleashed an unstoppable female monster. This obviously is a threat to their concept of manhood, so in an attempt to deny the new way of things and keep the sport male dominated we see girls are constantly being subject to unreasonable standards of tuition and discriminatory attitudes in deliberate attempts to lock out girls from wrestling and slow down female progress, which is why 30 years after America Morris’s historic victory females still only make up 2% of the wrestling population. Yet this small group of females are statistically the most successful group of wrestlers ever by a clear margin – they have already won a disproportionately large number of state championships in the time frame of 30 years. Teams with female wrestlers in them win an excessively large number of tournaments compared to all male teams and of course individually they have the most impressive win ratio – girls are obviously superior, patriarchy has realised allowing women to compete against them was a bad idea!
Nowadays due to female success few guys wish to compete against girls. This is a shame because girls see with their own eyes their superiority and learn to defend themselves from harassment and violation
It is nice to see in martial arts, muscle workouts and 1 to 1 sparring with guys, girls are establishing their dominance and becoming sure of female superiority, confident in their ability to bust guys up. We are seeing the female waking up to her natural dominance and, mostly through sports, girls and women are becoming physically stronger and empowered. This is a fact that won't go away. The physical prowess that females are developing is starting to overlap male strength so much more that we now often see boys and men physically outclassed and losing ground against the power of female. Strength training has for a long time been an uncomfortable concept for many female athletes however this is no longer becoming the case as the next generation of female athletes are seeing the benefits of strength training for their sport. They are discovering that when they work out almost everyone works out with heavier weights than men, and it also may help promote their own self-image. The female fights like a girl, while the men surrender and cry like boys
The complete victory of women and defeat of men is imminent. WE ARE WOMAN – HEAR OUR ROAR WE ARE WOMAN FEAR OUR ROAR
Actually, the smarter the man is, the sooner he beats a retreat. Mistresses in the knowing are unstoppable for men's standards.
DeleteSome great progress in womens wrestling is developing around the world. Check out this brand new mini doc about mongolias wrestling queen Soronzonbold Battsetseg 2 time world champion going for gold in this years olympics
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6RAZkvzON8
In Mongolia women were banned from wrestling from the 13 century after all their top men were defeated in the all the Naddaams (tournaments) by a girl. Petrified of girl power, all wrestlers then had to wear a tunic (jodag) is open but tied at the bottom with a simple string knot, exposing the chest to ensure that the wrestler is not female. 10 years ago women were allowed to train wrestling again and now Soronzonbold Battsetseg, flying the banner for girl power has changed the masculinists opinion in Mongolia and they are even sayng that if she wins gold at this Olympics they will allow women to compete in the naddaams again ha ha when this happens the men are going to get mullered!!!! xx>>xy #girlswrestlebetterthanmen #girlpower #wrestlingisgirlssportnow
Love the Cassy vs Kyle photo series, the description of how The male "collapses like an accordion" as Cassie forces him to his knees, the the tortured look of sheer horror on his face as he struggles in vain to break the bone crushing hold of the much much stronger girl is classic!
ReplyDeleteDidn't know about the Mongolian boys-club, but it makes perfect sense, males always keep women out of their manly activities when they know that the women will trounce them. How else can we maintain the illusion of male superiority?
Hello, you should see what is happening in the kushti wrestling circuit in India, Indian girl wrestlers are taking on men and WINNING! Girls are bating men up at their own game in front of crowds of thousands and even mainstream media in India is being forced to take note Check out these links
ReplyDeletehttp://www.vagabomb.com/Female-Wrestlers-Kushti/
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/sunday-times/Kushti-queens-put-men-on-the-mat/articleshow/52919447.cms
Kushti is a traditional wrestling sport steeped in tradition that has been practised for thousands of years. In all that time, kushti has always been a man’s business, There was always little participation from women in the field of Kushti. But today girls are now coming forward to adapt the game, they are challenging the men and they are beating them, with ease! To begin with villagers would snigger and finger-point when they wrestled with men, this sooned stopped when the men lost. The kushti girls are champions of the physical superiority of women over their estrogen-challenged cohorts - and aren't afraid to get on the Desi platform to prove it. One thing has become very apparent, the girls always come out on top – so far almost every fight has seen the male losing to the fairer sex who broadcast the display of impervious female strength. Bear in mind the media reports, these are farm girls giving away huge weight and size differences taking on and beating up the best men wrestlers in India - Traditional kushti is a sport that requires phenomenal core strength and speed and involves brute force and stamina as well as skill. There is no round time, typically matches can go on for 25 minutes but the girls are beating the men in maybe 1 to 2 minutes! At times, referees refuse to declare the girl the winner despite her having pinned down her male opponents like what happens in the us, so these matches take longer so the referee makes it an almost an unfair match for the man, the girls are so much stronger it must hurt the men a lot because they end up repeatedly thrown to the ground for up to 11 – 12 minutes before the men can no longer carry on (still half the time of a typical match). Bear in mind Indian male wrestlers are famous for their ability and expertise – India is ranked among the first eight or nine wrestling nations of the world - This is prime propaganda for female supremacy Indian women and girls adopting kushti are becoming greatly empowered which is such a good thing - every 20 minutes a girl is raped somewhere in India - as a result, the safety of women has become a national issue. So now young girls are ganging up and taking up wrestling - as they say in this video ‘we can protect ourselves we aren’t scared anymore’ :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEZDRfRItEE
Thank you for this blog
Many thanks for your great post - I think it deserves its own page. There has been mention of Indian wrestling on the blog before and it definitely requires more attention, so thankyou for providing the extra info - including the name - Kushti!
DeleteIt is particularly interesting as India is a country where females are so terribly repressed and officially treated as second class citizens. The affect of female victories over males in such a misogynistic culture must be 100 times more intense and I wonder how it plays out in society there - do the girls or their families face reprisals outside the ring from disgruntled beaten opponents?? But I couldn't agree more - female participation in Kushti is the perfect antidote to the rape crisis in India. The best way to neutralise a threat is to become a bigger threat yourself and I'm so glad to hear that even in India this message is getting through. If girls apply themselves they can easily become stronger than men - it is true nature and more and more girls are proving it. What a great quote "We can protect ourselves, we aren't scared anymore" I am looking forward to the day when every girl can say this..
Ah yes I have just read the earlier comment :) this thread really is good superior girl power demostrated with hard facts and statistics:)
DeleteI think the girls in India are giving men even more of a beating than in the us, and this makes sense after reading about the Victorian American farm girls and rise of the bozark which I didn't know before and is interesting, I want to be a bozark :) x
Great post :) Yes when you join the dots of female power it all fits together :D
Delete‘estrogen challenged cohorts’, love it!! xD Ace
Thanks ace! Your posts are amazing too - so inspirational!! My dads from Bangladesh (but I was brought up in the West Midlands) and he's a big kushti fan. He would always teach my older brothers wrestling but never me as I was a girl, but the funny thing is I would wrestle my brothers in our room so I learnt of them and even though they bigger and older than me I got a lot stronger and better than them, it was a real buzz I used to beat them up and bully them like nothing - make them cry and everything even 2 on 1 :) my dad hated it I'm a pole dancer now he hates that too lol. I don't go to the gym or train martial arts but I tell you is pole dance girls are frikkin ninjas! :D stronger than men more agile graceful and sexy with it ;) I love beating up and dominating men- get in fights all the time with jerks who call me a stripper never lost a fight (and have fought plenty in high heels like you 2 :)) polegirl
DeleteHey Polegirl - Thanks for sharing your background with us (I wish more girls would do this). I really love hearing people's back stories and what brought them here. Yours is a great story, It seems you were brought up in a very male dominated environment and you turned it on its head? Well done you!!! I love how you your dad would't teach you wrestling but you ended up being better at it than both of your brothers even beating them both at the same time - AWESOME!! There is a post somewhere about the 6 best sports for Amazons.....A lot of people suggested Pole Dancing even Hellfirequeen and she is very technically minded and has a sports science related background. I was a bit surprised at first but there is obviously a lot more to Pole Dancing than I had realised...Keep up the great work..... ;)
DeleteNo probs, wrestling against my brothers became along running saga of them frantically trying to beat me (and in a way my dad desperately trying to help them). For me it became such fun because they were so worked up about it but to me it was a game and I wasn’t going to let em win. When they trained I would be in the bedroom do my own training using the furniture to exercise, lifting the bed and pushing/pulling cupboards etc. working on the moves I knew, sometimes I would sneakily watch them practice so I could get new ideas. At every opportunity of a challenge from them or to challenge them this little girl this little sister would smash the crap out of her big burly brothers I was the boss lol
DeletePole dancing has given me so much, it makes you super fit strong flexible agile and confident. And we wear outfits like the characters in your stories :p My strength is immense – good poledancers can support their entire bodyweight upside down with just with one arm - I can and have throatlifted a guy one handed. (strangling men is a big turn on for me ;) ) Our grip is immense both with hands and legs I know my scissors can kill and I’m pretty sure I can break all the bones in a man’s hand using just half my grip strength we can move like ninjas or cats in fact we are frikkin awesome if I say so myself :)
this is an example of the sort of thing I do day in day out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6ObftYjJOg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwvm06h98lk
I hope if you watch this you find it easy to realise that us girls who practice this everyday are extremely awesome athletes, amazons who can break a man very easily strong enough to rip a man’s arm out its socket (a friend of mine dislocated a man’s shoulder who tried touch her inappropriately). We can hypnotise and spellbound men but also we can snap their necks like dry twigs :D I think we make good examples of female physical power. polegirl
Wow!! :o HOTTT!!!
Deleteserious girl crush on the videos lol xD
they look awesome deffo kunoichi!!
magnificent demonstration of the perfection of the female body and strength, grace and ability
#girlcrush Ace xD
Hi Polegirl
DeleteThanks for the further insight on your background and on Pole dancing. I have made a new post on it - thanks for making me aware of its importance. I can definitely see what you mean - pole dancing on a daily basis must be like doing gymnastics everyday and we all know how fit and strong gymnasts are. I know how difficult rope climbs are especially without using legs but these girls are smashing it every night - Awesome! You are definitely good examples of female physical power! Love the throat-lifting thing btw....I might post something about that ;)
Thank you Xaan that's 2 posts you have made from my comments on the things I like :) beating up and dominating men is a thrill for me, a passion :) feel free to make a throatlift post to haha I ADORE strangling men or seeing men get strangled by other women it is a big buzz for me watching them gasp and they're eyes bulge as you slowly strengthen your grip...complete power over a mans life or death as they struggle helpless...it's the best!! <3 polegirl
DeleteI've put up a post, not easy to find a convincing clip, let me know if you know of a better one ;) Actually I would like to create an artwork featuring a throat-lift for the New Amazon Nation series. If you would like to feature in it, just let me know who you look like...?
DeleteHaha AWESOME I'm Eurasian 6ft long black hair, buff and wear both these outfits on the pole :)
Deletehttps://www.amazon.co.uk/Vaole-TM/dp/B01MCT4SP7/ref=sr_1_25?s=sports&ie=UTF8&qid=1477666881&sr=1-25&keywords=Vaole+pole+dance
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Temptation-Pajamas-Personality-Leggings-Underwear/dp/B01H3GGQ38/ref=pd_rhf_dp_s_cp_1?ie=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B01H3GGQ38&pd_rd_r=257ZNAGFH60V9Q048Z6N&pd_rd_w=P0wnu&pd_rd_wg=wvA8Y&refRID=257ZNAGFH60V9Q048Z6N
<3 polegirl x
Oooh btw I would be interested in knowing which outfit everyone thinks is best for beating up men in :D <3 polegirl x
DeleteIf a male vote counts, I vote for the second one (Paplan) as the more lethal looking outfit. Of course, I will be hiding under the table and watch other men get their beatings. If discovered I will instantly beg for mercy and hope I can be lucky enough to serve as a slave.
DeleteI love them both!!!!!! :D
DeleteBut if I had to choose, the top one, I really like that v cut, I can see myself in that - might just buy it :) xxx Ace
As far as outfits go, personally I like the kind in the Amazon Nation artworks, they are pretty much what I would choose. Minimal and sexy not too complex. Leather boots are such a great symbol of female power. Suze
DeleteThe first one, badass female wrestler cindy huntress wears the same outfit:) http://prowrestling.wikia.com/wiki/Cindy_Huntress/Image_gallery?file=Cindy_Huntress_-_CH8005.jpg
DeleteMistress Polegirl, thank you for being kind enough to share with us a great example of how a Mistress can deal with discrimination. My warmest congratulations for the supreme job You pulled off.
DeleteI'm pretty sure that you would look great in both outfits and that men feel intimidated if they had to face you.
DeleteIf you adore strangling men or love to see other women strangling men then I'm pretty sure that you would have loved to witness that time a while ago when my wife scissored me KO. That was really frightening as I didn't expect her to actually go that far.
I hope she enjoyed it tasslehoff I'm sure you deserved it
DeleteThanks for the feedback everyone, interesting comments <3 polegirl
Hi Polegirl,
DeleteI don't know if I deserved it, maybe just being a man is reason enough. My wife was chatting quite often with another woman who apparently squeezed her husband KO a few times a week. She had talked my wife into trying it and describe to her what was happening. Luckily for me it frightened my wife because when I was out, I had a lot of spasms and didn't come around immediately. According to that other woman, my wife squeezed to long and should have stopped sooner. I'm glad she didn't try again because it was really frightening to discover how much power she has in her thighs and how easy it was for her to KO me that way. My neck was sore and I felt dizzy for a while.
I know this is an old post, but I find myself returning to it occasionally and studying the images of the fight at http://www.network54.com/Forum/225841/message/1363567098/Battle+of+the+Sexes+Vol+%232-+Cassy+vs+Kyle+%28307+Pics%29 ... it astounds me as I look at it that Cassy's muscles seem to explode with power as she closes her hold on Kyle and how he ends up completely painfully contorted, and twisted by her as if his body is made of clay and hers is iron. Two pictures in particular show the clear superiority of her muscles ... http://s1272.photobucket.com/user/kombat_kira/media/Cassy%20vs%20Kyle/Noname140.jpg.html ... and ... http://s1272.photobucket.com/user/kombat_kira/media/Cassy%20vs%20Kyle/Noname113.jpg.html ... The boy's muscles are spent and collapse. Her's appear to actually grow until there is no question who has the superior physiological endowment.
ReplyDeleteEveryone thinks wrestling is a tough mans sport. It is not. It is a girls sport. A tough man is (and quite clearly does)going to find himself hurt bad against a girl in this sport x Ace
DeleteAce, you're absolutely right … wrestling is a girls' sport, for all the reasons you and others have aptly explained here. But males can still have a role in the girls sport as providing examples and opportunities for girls to demonstrate their clear female superiority to empower other girls and educate ignorant males. We are still at a place in society where there are still plenty who haven't yet realized what a myth and falsehood male equality is. Males are all sailing on a sinking ship of patriarchy and don't even realize it … some are still dumb enough to go up against a superior girl in a wrestling match just to learn the truth the hard way.
DeleteTotes agree with you both!!! The wrestling arena is an ideal to place to demonstrate how girls rule
Delete1) it always makes a girl feel good, happy and smiley when she beats a man up
2) big burly men who are really tough yet still beaten by girly wrestling girls in the long run benefit from this lesson- a man needs to receive a beating from a woman!
3) it helps establish the dynamic girl=strong girl=victory man =weak man=defeat
Girls are the perfection personified:) polegirl
Thank you Polegirl! Girls are indeed perfection personified, and to continue your dynamic ... Girl=strong Girl=victory man =weak man=defeat ... Girl = Total Perfection / man = total imperfection!
DeleteThis all goes out the window as they get older, boys become stronger and girls face reality.
ReplyDeleteYeah yeah in your dreams buster! That's why if you you read the above comments in India the top men are now being beaten by teenage girls ha ha
DeleteThat's why in a discussion on another thread when women from a national judo team competed against men from a national judo team the men got massacred 28-30! Pmsl
Girls are generally discouraged from their training when they reach adulthood not that they enough encouragement during childhood but as you can see this is changing there are now so many victories being won by girls all over the world and this is a new breed of female a new generation is rising of strong powerful feminine women creating a new world of authority and supremacy over men patriarchy will soon be over, the girls are winning and you won't be making a comeback anytime soon!!
I could trash men when I was still playing with my barbies and I still throw so called strong men around all the time now. It makes me angry that men with their feeble strength and primitive skills think they are better than women I am a woman - brute strength and intimidation it is ludicrous you males even attempt to enter my realm! Polegirl
Well said Polegirl!
DeleteAnd you are absolutely right, such a small minority of the world's female population has been given a true opportunity to compete athletically, not just in wrestling, the athletic potential of females is fostered and supported much less, compared with males. And there is usually much more pressure on females to forgo sports such as wrestling when they leave school and follow other, more traditional pursuits. When these situations are corrected, as they slowly are being it's highly likely that the gender strength gap will widen; in fact, it's much more a certainty that we will see women reversing it - we will and already have begun blowing the strongest best men out of the water, very very easily! girls are superior and stronger there is enough science and anecdotal evidence some of which is reported on this blog to show this
#grrlzrule #xx>>xy xD Ace
Ace and Polegirl -
DeleteLook I would hate to be on the wrong side of one of those pole dancing girls and some girls are able to humiliate boys, but day to day life shows how men are stronger.
Day to day life is exactly what makes me believe in women's superior physical potential.
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For me, day to day life also shows how superior women are.
DeleteWomen in the past have often not got the same opportunities as men. But that is changing now and women start to realize more and more that they are not dumber than men, that they are not weaker than men, that they are not less than men. In fact, and that is what this blog is trying to show both men and women, when women are given the same opportunities as men, they can do remarkable things. Be it at educational level or physical level, women are starting to catch up. As more women are already graduating than men, I would say they are already leaving men behind in the class room. Decades ago, it was practically unheard of that a woman could beat a man in a fight. Now with women becoming more confident about their own capabilities, they start beating men at the physical level too. Becoming a role model for other girls, encouraging them to achieve the same.
My wife and her friend are perfect examples of what women can achieve when they are determined to show that not women but men are the weaker sex. Both are strong, intelligent and successful and like ace and polegirl, very capable of beating up most men.
Tasslehoff, You make some great points about the advance of women. Of course, women have always been ahead of men even when they were forced to hide their superior intelligence and physical prowess. We males are now witnessing the end of our ill gotten status as the superior sex sets the record straight. More power to them!
DeleteI would say ALL men, Tasslehoff.
DeleteStriker
Anonymous dude I know what you are saying most women who do nothing simply can't match out strength but I'm afraid when they train like we do or even slightly less they trash us
DeleteAs much as our ego likes to say all this is just fantasy the evidence the reality is females are becoming way more powerful than we can ever be
I'm sure you are just trolling because this blog is full of mind blowing examples that back up my personal experiences of untamed girl power we can not compete im afraid , they now have the beating of us and they are only going to get stronger. Paul
How does day to day life show men to be stronger? All a man can do is a sudden spurt of aggression. As soon as the Mistress under attack gets that thing handled, the man suddenly is an easy prey. I have never made the mistake to mess with a Mistress, but I have seen a lot of intergender fights - and Mistresses always end up on top. Stop trying to deny proven facts.
DeleteSorry Striker, you are right. I'll rephrase.
DeleteThey are capable of beating all men.
Any woman with normal hormone quantities can beat all men as long as she knows about (and tries to use) her potential.
DeleteStriker
Silly boy in denial even in the face of all the evidence. Polegirl
DeleteMany guys are in this kind of denial...
DeleteStriker
This is a good documentary on female wrestling :)
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bv2cpgk4m1s
Also check out this rising star of the future - total male destruction!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7JzLlcAaxo
xD xD xD Ace
Autumn is amazing. This is what happens when a female is unafraid to use all her natural strengths ... the boys have no chance. I'm sure all these boys thought they were tough and maybe were able to defeat other boys, but now they are facing a totally overwhelming opponent; faster, more flexible, stronger and relentless — and they get krushed!
DeleteAlso, great documentary "women can bend in ways men never thought of" ... and when the women force the men to bend they break! Like the comparison between all male and all female matches ... "the women's matches have more action!" Of course women function at a higher energy level than men, put two women together in a wrestling match and the men's match looks like slow motion. The future is not too bright for males, is it?
A masculinist in the comment section of the video tries to drop it on "bad defence" but, as far as my experience goes, we are better than men at defending.
DeleteStriker
"bad defence" ?? That's funny. It's amazing the absurd things masculinists will say as they try desperately to rationalize their mistaken belief in female inferiority. It's always a complete reversal of the truth.
DeleteBad defence = not in the same class as a girl!!!! It's masculinists kinda admitting they aren't in our league what guy does have good defence against s girl we go through your best wrestlers like putty!!! Polegirl
DeleteThere is no real male defense against Amazon power. Only preparation to face defeat.
DeleteHere's another great example of a wrestler boy being turned to putty by a superior female opponent: https://youtu.be/VMkK59AW4eY ... She probably could have literally ripped this guy into several pieces if she wanted to. He hardly knows where he is at the end and starts walking off in the wrong direction.
DeleteWow yboy, she is in control the entire time, he absolutely didn't stand a chance. true girlpower.
DeleteYes. Bella just continues to completely overpower the boys at this meet. She tears through them like a hot knife through butter ... https://youtu.be/VqzWr7cSHkg ... the feeble males are no equal for this much sheer female muscle and skill. The disadvantage of testosterone becomes painfully obvious.
DeleteTo Polegirl: I suggest that you open the link and read the patriarchist's actual comment, he isn't in any way willing to admit the truth we both point out regarding defence.
DeleteStriker
Oh yes I was looking at the comments on the other video and gave up because I couldn't see it lols
DeleteWhat an idiot he is!
Striker, question
What's funnier than male supremacists?
A: watching them cry when they lose to girls :) <3 polegirl
Pretty much everything about the behaviour of male supremacists is funny, I personally am not sure what to choose as THE funniest, but you do suggest a valid option, sure enough.
DeleteStriker
Like putty is hyperbolic, it will hurt a lot more for a girl when she loses to a boy.
ReplyDeleteYour two statements are not properly connected.
DeleteStriker
"It will hurt a lot more for a girl when she loses to a boy": Maybe because the boy will use illicit means of winning.
DeleteFlacio did a good job highlighting the gap between the two statements of the unsigned (I wonder why...) comment.
DeleteStriker
Ok so girls win most of the time, the statistics are pretty clear, but 60% is hardly going through the guys like putty. And I would conjecture that given equal participation the female talent pool would be diluted not broadened....it seems reasonable to assume only the strongest most athletic girls are brave enough to wrestle at the moment while you get weak guys as well as strong doing it, so there is disproportion on the statistics that make girls appear to be better and win most of the time. Even the top level stat of 70% is probably a result of this. So I don't think these stats count women might have some technical advantages but I think testosterone is far superior to estrogen for strength, girls might develop faster but when guys hit adulthood on most cases they catch up with girls and can beat them, not to say there aren't some females stronger than males, I just don't think the female is the stronger superior sex whatever this blog, the stats and the science says
ReplyDeleteDude you're in denial! How can greater participation dilute the talent when across all sports greater female participation and training has raised and continues to do so their standard!! Denying the science is like a flat earther refusing to admit the world is round, we have to face it they are better and far more capable than us :o paul
DeleteI agree with Paul. While it might be true that increasing numbers of females in wrestling might include higher percentage of less capable female athletes overall, that doesn't consider the fact that females are actually naturally more physically adept than males in the general population. There's plenty of proof of this. Females now make up a larger percentage of marathoners and finish the races in larger proportions than males. Females participate in larger numbers than males in most forms of physical exercise at gyms, yoga, dance, swimming, etc. Since the female body is, on average, more finely developed than the male there are simply fewer males who rise to the same level of physical agility and strength. This fact is not obvious to everyone because those males who are at the top of the male spectrum of physical ability hog the spotlight so people assume that all men are more fit than women, but the reverse is true.
DeleteWatch the Alicia napoleon video, read aces post in the jitsu thread, girls are beating boys even though everything is being done to hold is back, given equal training and numbers we WILL go through you all like putty there's no talent at the moment just males, when girls are properly allowed to compete we WILL clean up and take over. Polegirl
DeleteYou are so hilarious, Polegirl
DeleteDecorating others with cosmetic surnames is very easy, especially behind the safety of your screen, dear Mr. Judge.
DeleteStriker
In all politeness some of the things said and some of the names you call yourselves are laughably pretentious polegirl, striker, hellfire queen ace etc like you think you are some kind of bunch of comic book superheroines almost as daft as the power puff girls
DeleteThe girl power statements are laughable I stand by I think the stats are skewed and even if by some fluke they are not due to 'superior physical aptitude' of girls let's take away the weight classes then and see how well you do against our top heavyweights! Why do girls have to gloat anyway when they do manage to beat a guy in a sporting contest especially when you admit you fight dirty. the glee with which ace and xaan report the recorded 7 cases of guys having to be stretched of the mat after wrestling girls is shocking guys who go too heavy and set out to hurt their opponent would quickly get suspended or dropped from the team - how come girls don't get this treatment! the flaming that you gave a wrestler on this thread when he moaned about the dirty tactics of girls and their arrogance mocking other wrestlers by wearing tutus! You even sneered at his religious beliefs! It's not nice
Why is it awesome that girls are fighting and playing contact sports but still acting like bimbos flaunting your bodies in this way isn't empowering or feminine when you do it to intimidate and demean men - fact no matter what pantyhose you wear or how much lace you dress your muscles with they are still butch, 'pound for pound' stronger or not
As striker says it is easy to say these things from behind a screen, in my experience though the girl power statements are anything but laughable, they are terrifying. When investment is put in to developing female power their peak performance far surpasses men I have no doubt. I think even if they took away the weight classes as you suggest giving men an advantage, the money would still be on the girls. It is only male reluctance to fully help advance sports women which is keeping them from beating us. As for girl muscles being butch I think any man who sees a female athlete and says that is lying out of fear and insecurity, not only are they stronger than male muscles with better bodies too, they look better! Not only can women beat men, they look good doing it too! But you are right about the gloating, it is very unnerving, I strongly believe from my experiences that women have a suppressed vicious wild streak that once unleashed becomes very threatening. They enjoy beating men and get addicted to it like chocolate. But I still think we should acknowledge defeat to our betters. Paul
DeleteI'm not even going to bother replying. Polegirl
DeleteTo anonymous crybaby: We can name ourselves anyhow we like, we can respond to your aggression and tyrannical manners anyhow we like and we can ignore your opinion on our looks and muscles, just deal with it.
DeleteTo Paul: Don't generalise, especially by a situation where the fault was all yours.
Striker
Bear in mind that misogynists make Godmothers very angry. And you don't want to see them get angry at you. The punishments they deliver are very severe.
DeleteRaffaela Cosanostra
How does keeping it real make me a crybaby? It is you who have aggressive and tyrannical manners as evidenced by raffaela's words. Patriarchy works for women as well as men
DeleteI did know a guy who insisted that patriarchy works for women as well as men. Then he was asked about the reasoning of his statement and suddenly died, probably due to excessive panic according to the doctors.
DeleteRaffaela Cosanostra
Patriarchy doesn't work for anybody except males in denial of their true natural place as women's inferiors. You might say that it's unfair for males to be inferior to women, but patriarchy places males above women, which violates the natural order. So patriarchy does not work for women since it denies them their true status. Women should be the leaders, not males.
DeleteTo anonymous crybaby: If patriarchy worked so well, all this gender war would never happen.
DeleteTo Raffaela: One way or another, the necessary social work was done once again.
To yboy: Another reason why we should be the leaders is that we very simply are better leaders.
Striker
Striker, very true. Women's superior leadership has been documented regularly. There have been dozens of studies in the last decade or so and I have yet to see one which doesn't confirm that women score higher on just about every measure of leadership skills over males. Men are barely even equal to women on any measure, and inferior on most measures. Even with the odds stacked against you, women come out superior.
DeleteStriker I fail to see how pointing out that the only reasons that girls are winning are fluke or unfair tournament conditions makes me a cry baby. Gender war? 2000 years of patriarchy has seen no gender war just good cohabitation where both sexes know their place, I can't see how a couple of girls somehow beating guys in a wrestling fight contributes anything to society or does the case for women's rights much less supremacy or gender war
DeleteRafaela do you honestly think it's clever or lady like to threaten men or commit violence to men just because you don't like the facts of life pointing out to you face it it's a mans world and I repeat winning by fluke a couple of wrestling fights ain't going to change that
Yboy when has there ever been a successful female leader?
Interesting, I wrestled in high school, and these are some of my thoughts/observations. I think this article is pretty accurate, 60-70% sounds fair, I wasn’t anything special but against boys my record was 23-14 not including the ones that forfeited. I finished on a 6 nil win streak against boys with my best victory against a boy 50lb heavier, but also I admit there were a couple of boys who completely whooped me especially when I first started. Boys definitely don’t have such a great physical strength advantage as everyone thinks but conversely quite a few boys are also very flexible and extremely bendy. No matter what the reasons given for forfeits as soon as you have a reputation for being a boy beater that is when they suddenly don’t want to face you. Discrimination is rife, and some losses wouldn’t have been if I had been a boy which means you do have to be more brutal to ensure a win and boys go all out to not lose to girl, you definitely don’t win by fluke! With more investment and attention my record would for sure have been better. Girl v boy matches have intense rivalry from a girls perspective, there is a lot of kudos for a girl to win victories over boys and get a rep as a boy beater and yes a certain amount of celebration occurs on defeating boys, more so than from boys when they win who tbh seem more relieved than anything (do girls like beating up boys on the mats? Absolutely guilty “let’s make the boys our bitches” is an often heard motivational quote amongst girls and “get the boy to pull a bitch face” is a phrase we used to describe boys facial expressions when the match gets uncomfortable for them and they start getting dominated on the mat). Conversely losing to boy doesn’t really affect girls as badly emotionally as it does boys who often get very dejected and sometimes cry. Reading girls being statistically the most successful group of wrestlers, the quotes “females are statistically the most successful group of wrestlers ever by a clear margin – they have already won a disproportionately large number of state championships” and “So at 2% you can say that once at every 50 years you should see a female state champ, yet in only a few years there have already been at least 6!” are not a shock and the machismo elements involved in wrestling who probably realise that and don’t like it have a dilemma because of title IX, girls wrestling is here to stay so do they invest more in it so that eventually there are enough girls to only compete against each other? but run the risk of before that happens of seeing girls beating even more boys more regularly, with less and less boys daring to even get on the mat against a girl and all girl teams winning tournaments against all boy teams? There is alot less incentive for a girl to carry on wrestling once in college. Do I think girls are better than boys? Yes. Do I think a woman in her 20s could still be better than men in their 20s and feminine female power beats male machismo? Damn straight! From a feminist viewpoint, the principle objective of wrestling is to subdue and pin your opponent, when a girl beats a boy, it raises her self-esteem to new levels and is extremely empowering, this is at the cost of boys ego’s, and while they all fear you and some hate you for it, a lot don’t and treat you with new measures of respect instead. Just my 2 cents, Jena
DeleteAwesome post - Thanks Jena! When we first published this article I was expecting a lot of comments from female wrestlers in the US, but I think yours is the first .....certainly to include any kind of first hand experience. Thanks again for sharing your views with our readers - very interesting .
DeleteI am eternally grateful that girls have been allowed to compete against boys in this most physical of sports, as it has given us the chance to prove our physical superiority over them in an official recorded capacity. A chance we otherwise would not have had as virtually all other sports are gender segregated. Were it not for the title IX ruling we would still be relying on anecdotal evidence.
I does make me feel uneasy however to realise that the only reason girls are allowed to compete with boys, is that the number of female participants in wrestling is so much lower and that were that proportion to change then we might actually be looking at segregation again and that would feel like a huge backward step to me. I strongly believe that the chance to beat a boy in a physical contest, is a huge motivational factor for a girl wrestler, I've even read that it is the main reason some girls get involved in wrestling in the first place - What are your views?
I totally agree with you about the empowering feeling of beating guys - there's nothing quite like it and it has a massive effect on your self-esteem. I also agree that if girls continued to wrestle into college at the same rates as high school then they would continue trounce the guys. Just because guys become stronger in their late teens and early 20s, doesn't mean that girls get weaker. Feminine female power beats male machismo any day, but training and fitness is key.
Hi Jena,
DeleteI agree with Xaan that is good to hear about the experiences from a powerful wrestling girl first hand and see the statistics presented by Ace confirmed. As you already said, beating a boy raises her self esteem and is very empowering and a blow to the ego's of boys who still believe in male superiority.
I think it's great when more girls start wrestling. It will mean that more boys will get beaten and more boys will realize how superior girls are.
As Xaan pointed out, it could be that when more girls start wrestling that gender segregation will happen again but that doesn't have to be a huge backward step.
It could be that girls by then have totally annihilated male wrestlers and have totally demasculated male strength. Maybe society will then no longer wonder if girls can compete with men, but question whether due to male inadequacy and frailty, if it's unfair to let men even try to compete with the girls.
Regarding the segregation issue, I agree with Tasslehoff - by the time it returns, we will have given enough proof of it being for the sake of men's safety, not for ours...
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It would be safe to say that when girls have fully overtaken males in wrestling ... when girls wrestling is the main attraction and boys wrestling is the side show, we won't be seeing too many boys demanding to be allowed to fight against girls. They will know that it's basically suicide.
DeleteGirl wrestlers eagerly fight boys because they know they have a better chance of winning and that will only become more and more true.
Indeed, yboy.
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Thanks for the feedback Jena :D
DeleteAce
So Indian women are beating the men in wrestling but women are being raped in India?
ReplyDeleteIf women are that strong then no woman will be raped by a smaller man. I heard of a female wrestler that was raped by a guy that she supposedly defeated. It looks like he unleashed his full power on her on a later date.
Losing to a woman turns me on though.
Why choose losing to her in public and raping her in private instead of beating her in public and finishing the story there?
DeleteSadly to the girls/woman... You can't count the amount of state title holders in mixed wrestling past the single digits & it's freaking 2017! I was shocked to hear the female winning 60% of mixed gender wrestling. A referee or someone that watches lots of school wresting would know for sure if that's even true. I have always thought the girls always winning on YouTube only stayed posted because both genders have a fetish for female domination & far fewer views happen if the male wins. To be honest I would like to try a woman that can wrestle me down, keep me pinned, poke fun at me & give it to me the cowgirl way baby... As a guy that weighs under 170 after a long winter. It's much harder to get enough exercise 10 years after graduating high school without it feeling like a chore. Im still in reasonable physical shape. There will always be someone with a different race, religion, or even gender that can kick your ass. it seems to me all the males that lost to a freaking girl needs to do better at using their lower body & need to get some practice and coaching that the girls get against the guys. Females that win did good at keeping their legs wrapped around him throughout the match. None of the males looked like they wanted her legs unwrapped
ReplyDeleteThere are many factors you aren't taking into account, plus you 're straight-off LYING about the "practice and coaching" thing - you guys have always had more of it, Mr. Under-170-Kilos-badass.
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I have a few questions here:
Delete1)What is your record in mixed encounters?
2)How do you define "reasonable shape"?
3)Do you have any evidence of males using their lower body well enough to fulfil the standards you set?
4)Do you have any evidence of girls getting better practice and coaching?
5)Do you always achieve what you want?
Raffaela Cosanostra
1) 17 losses 0 wins
Delete2) adequate for a male such as myself, yet inferior to females
3) no
4) no
5) no
1)A lot of stuff is missing here. The proper form of a record is Wins-Draws-Losses (Points) Scored-Conceded. For example, one of the Godmothers over here practises a certain martial art and has had many fights against various opponents. Her overall record is 87-91-7 (352) 195-7. Her record against men is 65-20-0 (215) 171-0. All this up to the time this comment was written. Each win equals 3 points and each draw one point.
Delete2)Each person is in different shape and most women are far below their best-possible shape.
3)Then where are those standards based?
4)Then why did you make such a claim?
5)Then why do you say that none of the males who lost to girls looked like they wanted her legs unwrapped?
Raffaela Cosanostra
You really thought I was that other guy? Weird combination of taking this stuff too seriously and yet not being that bright
DeleteNot sure if this is an issue of brightness or just unsigned comments...
DeleteRaffaela Cosanostra
Hey, Mr. Smartass, where did you get your brightness from, Siemens' tills?
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*Sadly to the girls/woman... You can't count the amount of state title holders in mixed wrestling past the single digits & it's freaking 2017!* the proportion of female entrants to males is so low that you would only reasonably expect 1 female champion every 50 years, there have been 6 in 10 years already.
DeleteAnd let me tell you this, you still havent seen the full might of female potential and when you do we will make your male elite pussies Ace
Most people are not aware of proportions' importance.
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Exactly. Females are proportionally stronger than males, so it's natural that in wrestling, where competitors are matched by weight, that a smaller proportion of females would beat males in more often than their numbers would suggest. It's just denial to overlook these facts.
DeleteMatching competitors by weight means that the ones with a better power to weight ratio are also overall stronger than their opponents. This is very important because wrestling is practically all about strength.
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Raffaela did a great job explaining the main reason why we are better than men at wrestling.
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I can tell you it's true so can a lot of boys and refs i remember once one boy getting laughed at by his buddies for losing to a girl he just shrugged his shoulders and said "most of the time they beat us"
DeleteIf boys only got the same coaching as girls then we would really wipe the mat of them!
I'm sure you would like a woman to wrestle you down and give it you the 'cowgirl way' but you are hardly selling yourself mister under 170
Men might like a woman's legs wrapped around them in the bedroom but believe me on the mat getting crushed in a grip they can't get out of in front of all those spectators and everyone watching - they sure as hell don't want that and do all they can to break free and win!
Interesting about proportional strength and weight. On a wrestling summer camp there were 3 girls out of 20 on the group, we were all tested for various strength power flexibility etc measures of athleticism. I've forgotten the exact numbers but when segregated into weight classes us girls smashed it, with higher average and peak power than most of the boys, as well as better grip strength back strength and of course flexibility! And yes as ace said, there is no age division per se it is done on weight, I stopped growing at about 14 bit before then the boys I wrestled were almost alway older but I still beat most of them. I don't want to boast tbh, but after reading all these sexist 'boy power' comments I am going say about some of my matches. first match was against a 15 year old boy when i was 12, I beat him, easily, tbf it was his first match too, but also his last, I beat him so convincingly he quit wrestling straight after, so you could say I retired him! But my best victory was at 14 I wrestled an 18 year old who had tattoos (pretty crappy ones now thinking about it, at the time being 14 I was like yikes!!) muscles shaved head flat nose really square jaw he looked scarey as and I was like "oh my god no way" but when the whistle blew I crucified him! 20 seconds in and he was whimpering before the minute had passed he was pinned! great blog let's pwn chauvinism girl power! Jena
To Jena: I'm so agree with you! Interesting to read about your point of view. I'm a male, and I've been "crucified" as you said, by smaller and younger girls at wrestling. It's very hard for us to admit that at first, quite emasculating in fact, but that's the truth. Girls outmatch us now, physically and mentally!
DeleteJena, It must have been a shock to the boys when you were tested for strength and they were inferior! I can imagine the girls' excitement when the tests proved they were better than the boys, and also the dismay the boys must have felt when they had to come to terms with absolute proof that they were — pound for pound — the weaker sex. As a male I've also had to come to terms with the bitter (for males) truth.
Delete20 seconds to destroy an older boy! I wonder if he also retired ... or if he just conceded the next time he had to wrestle a girl, rather than get "crucified" again.
Women are not the weaker sex by far, but they are not the superior sex either as far as I’ve seen. Both are equal, Women are just not given the chance to be equal sadly.
ReplyDeleteI’ve gone up against my fair share of both genders, and have only lost one match with a man almost three times my size, and it was only because of a disqualification that he one.
I’m sure that most women now days are stronger than most men, but I do not think that it is because of physical ability, but rather a frame of mind. I’m a small guy, about five three and I only way in at 113 pounds. I have a much slimmer build with compact mussels that are not very noticeable. I also am not much when it comes to waits, but that never seems to matter when I’m in a Mache.
From the early age of 8 I was able to throw around boys both older then me and my own age. It did not matter that they were larger in size and muscle mass, I was just stronger and faster when it came to competitive sports when it was head to head and one on one. in fact, it did not take much effort on my part and I could beat them with ease.
ReplyDeleteWhen I was finally allowed to join a team It was great, I loved competitions and tournaments where I could just dominate people so much larger and stronger looking then me.
It was at one of these tournaments when I was 17 that I went up against my first female opponent. She was about 14 and was not much taller then me, I do not know her wait. Before are match I saw her match with a teammate of mine Craig. It only took her around two and a half minutes to beet him, that surprised me! When I found out that I would be going up against her next I was not to sure what to think, so I decided that I would give her my best because She deserved to be there and I wanted to know witch of us deserved it more.
Perhaps I had an advantage having seen her in action and knowing why Craig lost, I don’t know. I tolled Craig that he lost because of his technique. Before you say anything here me out. It is sad but true that female athletes do not receive the amount of training that mail ones do. But in this case, this is one of the factors that gave her the win against Craig. Because Craig only had his strength speed and technique he easily lost. Because his technique both mentally and physically was coached to him by a mail instructor. Who in a sexist act thought that if he were to go up against a girl he would have no problem. He only instructed Craig in a technique that would prove effective against other boys.
ReplyDeleteWhile Kindra had been given the basics because it was required, this gave her a foundation and from there she developed a style from raw experience. Given that she was going up against mostly boys how do you think her style reflected this.
At this point in my sports career I probably would have lost if I had ben learning the same way as the others. I learned differently though and I was used to winning in an unorthodox manner if need be.
ReplyDeleteI do not think any less of men or women, and I do not holed myself above ither gender. I do however dis like many things about both and whenever I see a quality from one or the other in myself that I dislike I do my utmost to change it and adopt the best from both female and male.
Having seen Kindra beet Craig so easily I knew that I was only going to view her as my competitor and nothing else. This did not mean that I would ignore the fact that she was a girl. I know a few ways girls had advantages over boys such as a better center of balance and more flexibility. However, I am flexible, fast, level headed, body control, great stamina – muscle endurance, balance I have grater of these then most average women. When I was small I was un able to out muscle boys so I did what the girls did when they would roughhouse with other boys. I refined these qualities until the age of 22 and started strength training at 15 and because of that I was able to dominate others so easily having taken from both genders.
Going into the match knowing this I knew what Kindra would most likely try to do and how she would do it, I also knew how to avoid and exploit it.
ReplyDeleteLooking back on that match now it was one of my more challenging ones to be sure, but not because it was exceedingly hard, but because it was a different kind of challenge, like the difference between word searches and crossword puzzles, not hard, just different. I will admit that the 28 times that I had a match against someone of the opposite sex it was often more intense -hi energy and harder, but it did not often caws me much problem. But I did see many of the same women that I fought beet other men easily. I did not find most men to be very challenging and women over all did seem to be better. But like I sed I did not have a problem other then three different times and I still one those.
Kindra and I’s match lasted around 6 minutes, it was back and forth for the first two minutes with both of us trying to pin the other quickly. Around the three-minute mark I think is when she did something that to this day I don’t understand, but it did not seem to have the effect that she wanted and it did not do much other then puzzle me for a moment. Whatever the case at 4 and a half minutes I had learned enough about her style to know that I would be able to win and to get more points fore are teem I went for a submission. I let her get me in a pin position because I knew that I did not way much and that having the mat to my back would help me apply more pressure. As soon as she had me in the pin I poled her against me and used the extra force that she had used to push me to the mat to wind her and then I just squeezed and in a 24 count she tapped.
ReplyDeleteI have seen some of what you are talking about on this blog, but I have not experienced it first hand to the extent of witch you are speaking. When looking for something to challenge myself I did tend to lean toward fighting women, but It was not anything I purposely sot out. Perhaps I have just not run across it yet, but after seeing this blog I did go looking and have not found this experience. I could just be an exception to the rule, but I feel that I just have a different way of going about things then most and because of that I was given opportunities to better myself in ways that most men don’t get.
ReplyDeleteI’m not looking for a conflict, I just want information and to know your thoughts on the matter. I would like a chance to experience this first hand if it is possible, in order to either see how I stack up against the best or if I truly am an exception. Because I have always found most men and about half women strangely physically lacking despite seeming physically fit in every variation. Do you know where I could go to find women like this other than Jim’s and tournaments
ReplyDeleteI would love it if more women were to act and follow what the people on this blog have done. Times are changing and I do think that it is true that women could take over most if not all contact sports. Not because of physical ability, but because they have the drive to do it. I have a very strong drive when it comes to most things and have always had to overcome opposition do to me being heavily visually impaired to the point of only having 30 feet of vision and the inability to read print other than being able to make out that there are letters of some kind. Perhaps it is that drive that makes people different having to take what you want in life instead of having it given to you at berth I don’t know.
ReplyDeletePlease don’t ask “if your Blind then how did you read and comment on this blog.” Like I sed earlier I have always had to do something in an unorthodox way.
ReplyDeleteThank you for your time and if you will not reply to me on this blog then could you please contact me through an email to answer my questions.
I’m sorry if I come off as pretentious, I just am trying to say that I have not ben able to find the contents of this blog in my life and numbers don’t lie so I know that it must be out there somewhere.
Any information that you have and would be willing to share with me would be great!
I have to confess I was so glad to find your post about wrestling. I'm so agree with it! Girls beat boys easily at wrestling, and my own experience taught me so. As a male competitor, younger, smaller girls have beaten me most of the time. I could do nothing against that. At first, I felt very humiliated, but now I face that truth. If more girls were practicing that sport, they will leave the guys far behind them. Wrestling matches between girls and guys really show that men are the weaker sex.
ReplyDeleteyes it is hard to admit for us , men who are born in a patriarchal society ....but that is the evidence :
ReplyDeletegirls are obviosly better fighters than boys and especially in wrestling where their powerful legs are so efficient !
Our upper body doesn't fall behind in terms of athletic potential. I do Muay Thai and have knocked out a lot of guys with my punches, and I know for fact there also are other female fighters out there easily capable of what I just mentioned. Constantina
DeleteMy Mistress has a friend who does Muay Thai. A tall, breathtaking Mistress with awesome muscles. I 've seen that Mistress knock out an entire gang of five "manly" men in a matter of just five moves! Sure they thought they could "have" Her. It was too late when they saw they couldn't. There was no stopping Her.
DeleteWhen you say tall, how tall exactly do you mean? This adjective has seen so many different definition limits I actually think it can get confusing at times. I know of a 1,70m woman who calls herself short, but I also know people who think 1,70m is too much for women. I fortunately stand at 1,86m so there is no confusion going on about me. Constantina
DeleteSince girls already lead in school academically, the only thing us guys can turn to is athletics. We still try to act as if keeping the genders separate is for the benefit of females, but of course we're just trying to keep them from dominating us in yet another aspect of life. Now that intergender sports matches do happen from time to time, the girls are coming out on top, despite them receiving less training and support. We try to prevent as many of these matches as possible so that we can keep denying female physical superiority.
ReplyDeleteBut in wrestling, where girls have been able to face boys for a while now, there's no question about whether the girls can keep up. What has to be asked now is how far behind are they going to leave the boys. It's hardly even a competition when girls wrestle boys, the match being more of a display of female strength than anything else. In middle school, the few girls that took up wrestling completely decimated the boys. In high school more girls participated, which meant more boys being on the receiving end of their superior power. It became common knowledge among the male wrestlers that facing a girl meant another loss on your record. All the guys could do was hope they wouldn't have to go up against a girl, then have their hopes shattered when they saw a strong and confidant amazon on the other side of the mat.
College wrestling is the last place of refuge for us, but if female domination continues in the wrestling world, and it will, the women will finally get their opportunity to put the guys in their place: pinned underneath them.
An interesting aspect of this phenomenon is how girls and women treat the traditional male athletic domination as a challenge to overcome, and overcome they will. Meanwhile, males seem to simply crumble when faced with the onslaught of female power. It seems unlikely that males will ever be able to turn the tables back again once the New Amazons have accomplished their goal.
DeleteLas refuge indeed. Soon there will be no place for males to hide.
I agree, once females openly dominate the athletic world there will be no going back for us. We'll just have to accept that the girls who beat us are our superiors.
DeleteOn the bright side, gender specific sports may continue if the women decide the gap between defeating a male opponent with ease compared to facing another amazon is too large. Then we'll only have to witness true female power, not constantly be conquered by it.
@TwentyfirstStarter, You mentioned female academic superiority, which is now pretty firmly established with a continually widening gap. Female brain-power was once not taken seriously! Proof of how much things can change.
DeleteYou suggest that it will be the women themselves who decide to exclude males from intergender competition. It would also mean that women become the leaders in the administration of sports and get to make the rules instead of men.
Currently many female athletes still have male coaches and the sports are run by men. Eventually women will find that a male coach or trainer has less to offer them than another woman, because she understands the unique feminine kinesiological advantages better than a male trainer ... and It will be an interesting shift when, during the coming transition of power, that male athletes will start to seek out female trainers in the hopes that they can be taught some of the "secrets" of the superior female athletes, only to find out that it is the built-in limitations of male physiology that prevent them from equalling Amazon prowess. (as spelled out in the "Women's Technical Advantages" post and others in this blog.)
There will be many crushed male egos along the way. :)
The academic gap between the sexes is massive considering how society used to think about women receiving education. Although I wonder if it was a matter of not being taken seriously, or just another case of males trying to hold down females where they knew the girls would overtake them.
DeleteThere's no doubt women will take control in sports administration after taking it on the field. Men that work the administration will probably try to keep them out of it, as they do with anything, but they won't have any leverage. They'll have to watch as their best athletes are dismantled by superior amazons before it happens to them as well.
Unfortunately, female athletes are still held down by their male trainers. A girl is held back by her male coach because he either doesn't understand how to work with her, or because he is intentionally keeping her from reaching her full potential. Whatever the case, moving on to female trainers will bring out many more great athletes in girls. It's a hard pill for boys to swallow, looking for a female coach to teach them how to dominate like the girls do, only to learn that no amount of training will bring them to a girl's level.
Of course boys wont take well to it, but the sooner they learn to give their superior competitors the respect they deserve, the better.
Inasmuch as patriarchy has always been about trying to hold down females for fear that they would overtake males, keeping girls out of higher education was always motivated by male fear of female superiority. The pretense of not taking women and girls seriously has always been about males' fear.
DeleteI think women often simply played along either because it was easier than confrontation ... or males' irrational wholesale violence actually made resistance too risky. But somehow, over the centuries, women have continued their evolution to counter the primitive brutality of males and have (re)discovered their own true superiority. At the same time, evolution has not been as kind to males. We may have reached our plateau just as our Amazonian counterparts are kicking into overdrive and will soon pull so far ahead of us we will be left in their dust.
Also, I agree with your chronology of women taking over the admin of sports after proving once and for all time their physical superiority.
I think your original statement really summed it up well 21starter, it's incredible but also quite chilling and intimidating reading this after reading the article because what you say about the middle school girls decimating the middle boys according to the statistics and anecdotes these same girls do it to the high school boys too!! And injure a fair few too while they at it, with the implication being a similar fate would befall the college boys too! It's like woah dwell on that the capability of the trained female even at an early age, and if you think about how radical feminism is also on the ascent it's like sheeit we better do something! I don't know what, surrender now I guess before it's too late!
DeleteDan the man
Girls continuing to wrestle through high school is the best way to convince a stubborn boy about female physical superiority. It's one thing to lose to a girl at a young age, but getting pinned by her again and again, year after year, boys have no choice but to accept their inferiority. As we grow older and stronger into our teens, we expect to start turning the tables on the female wrestlers. But just like she pinned you when you were kids, she is still dominating you now. Eventually you're just left living in fear and intimidation of her, dreading the next time her Amazonian strength will conquer you on the mat.
DeleteWe should have surrendered to the stronger sex long ago, that way we wouldn't have to learn our place the hard way. But more and more boys are waving the white flag as girl wrestlers retire them from the sport. My advice would be to give up quick, the more you try to overcome a female, the more she establishes her superiority over you. Accepting that I stand no chance against female wrestlers was the best way to avoid further humiliation.
Also ... another recent article on the academic superiority of girls (in Canada, but this is a global trend, as we know) ...
ReplyDeletehttps://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/school-gender-gap-grows-442825453.html
"Girls performing better than boys has been a growing trend happening internationally," said Daniel Ansari, a Canada Research Chair in developmental cognitive neuroscience at Western University in Ontario. "It’s tough to know why that persists."
... We know why it persists : The education playing field was equalised and, on a level playing field girls will always trounce males! It can be intellectual or it can be physical ... either way.
There really is no need to examine the situation carefully. Girls do better than boys academically and athletically because they're superior. Girls are smarter than boys. Girls are stronger than boys. It's that simple, and it's safe to say that anyone who still disagrees is just living in denial.
DeleteWell of course there will continue to be those deniers for some time to come, so we will get to witness lots more examples of boys and men learning their lesson the hard way. It may be that male defeat by the superior sex is what we men all really want after all. Perhaps the whole epoch of patriarchy is one long battle of the sexes which could only have ended one way. Males always knew they would lose in the end.
DeleteWhere I live, girls didn't even go to school 100 years ago. But now universities receive more female students than male ones, even at engineering-related faculties. Additionally, female students have been proved much more likely to actually get the degree on time, again regardless of scientific branch. Most men either get their degree after a long delay or just drop out. (I said "where I live", but it appears to happen in more places than that.) Constantina
DeleteConstantina, you're very right about that. Female students prove to be better than males. In fact, they outmatch male students, regardless of scientific branch. It's not only where you live, but everywhere. The new fact for us males, is to recognize that women can also overpower us physically. Women show now their total superiority both mentally and physically. Quite hard to face it for us, but at same level of studies or physical training, a female is better than a male.
DeleteTo Constantina, it definitely happens in more than just one place. As yboy said in his comment, females outperforming males is a global trend. The only places where girls don't do as well as boys is where they are still heavily oppressed and not allowed to reach their full potential. Buy it actually starts long before college. By the end of highschool, girls are usually so far ahead that the college gap is just building off of their previous success. I don't think I've heard a single speech or will hear one given by a male valedictorian, because it's always taken by a female.
DeleteGirls not going to school was a global trend as well, so the turnover that has happened in education is even bolder than we would otherwise think. All this change in just one century, along with all the other aspects of women's progress within the same time, proves that we are the winner gender, not the weaker one. Boys who tell us that we 'll "lose" are so off, so very off...
DeleteEven calling it a "battle" of the sexes is generous to the males, because at this point, the battle is over. Females have won decisively, now they are just growing their lead. Of course we knew the battle was hopeless, males can only pretend for so long that we don't fear Amazonian strength, but our stubborn egos kept us going. Now the girls are crushing the male ego under their superior power as boys continue to learn their new place in society. It's a shame men can't admit their inferiority and make women have to go through the easy yet tedious task of proving their physical superiority, but crushing the male ego is what females are best at.
ReplyDeleteI agree it's a certainty that the current direction toward full Amazonian overthrow of patriarchy is only going to accelerate. The only thing that's kept it from happening sooner is that women have been reluctant to truly dominate males as they're capable of out of consideration for the legendary fragile male ego. Women thought this would be a good strategy for literally centuries. Males have tried to take advantage of female generosity at every turn and finally women started saying "ENOUGH!" ... Time to stop pretending males were ever equal to women and girls.
DeleteIts things like this blog that make women do crazy things, like what happened to me a few weeks ago. I was going out with a girl with a bit of a female supremacy complex, but I overlooked it because she was pretty good looking. Then after two weeks of going out we were at a hotel drinking. Well I was drinking at the time she wasn’t. So after that we go up to the hotel room and she starts talking crap about how women are overall superiority to men. I got fed up and told her that maybe in some ways, but men were always going to be stronger, better payed and important things like that. Well she wasn’t having any of it and asked me to wrestle with her. If she hadn’t always been going on about women this and women that then I may have just ignored hir. As it was I just wanted to shut her up at this point. Apparently I was more drunk then I thought because she trash talked and working me over pretty easily. anyway she pushed me down on the bed and rapped her legs around my chest and started squeezing the air out of me. after that I was short of breath and was having a hard time fighting back. She through me to the floor and jumped off the bed onto my stomach nocking the wind out of me. After this she got a weird grin on her face and started dragging me towards and into the bathroom. Then the crazy bitch starts taking off her pants and starts pissing on me. I had never been so humiliated and mad in my life. As soon as I could breathe again I told her to get out if she knew what was good for her. She left after that, it was the only smart thing she did that night. I haven’t seen her since, but I don’t know what I’ll do if I see her again, but it won’t be pretty for her is all I know. If I had not been drunk that night I would have showed that stupid cunt. Women are offal people, even if a women is stronger then a man noone should ever urinate on another person, they have no right to do such a thing. Female superior leads to thinking like this and it is disgusting how women take advantage of men when they are impaired and can’t defend themselves. This kind of thinking should be stopped.
ReplyDeleteHa ha ha! Great story, I love the way you blame your being drunk for the fact she was able to beat you up! C'mon dude, who do you think you're kidding? You'd have to be paralytic for it to make any difference. Sounds like she did you over pretty good and even though you tried your hardest to salvage your male pride, there was nothing you could do. She put her money where her mouth was and she proved her point! She didn't take advantage of your impaired state, she took advantage of her natural physical superiority to teach you a lesson you'll never forget. Good on her!! I love her style, pissing on you to show her utter contempt for the arrogant but inferior male!
DeleteI should forget any ideas about revenge if I were you. Or what you'll do if you see her again. My advice would be to avoid her at all costs unless you want to be humiliated again? Sounds like she was just playing around with you this time, god knows what she'd do to you if she actually got angry ha ha ha! Tasha
You’re either crazy or stupid if you can laugh and call this a great story. How can you say that you love her stile and that she did a good thing by pissing me when I was unable to stop her? And another thing, I’ll have you know I am not paralytic!, and I have never been peracetic! “She took advantage of her superiority” don’t give me that pathetic excuse for someone fighting someone who was in pared by alcohol. If you think that you can convince me to let her get away with what she did then you really are stupid.
DeleteOK then, go ahead and challenge her. It is you who started the noise after all. Learn to respect others' views, or it won't take long till the next time you get humiliated (or suffer something worse than that). Don't tell me I didn't warn you... Constantina
DeleteYou told her men were always going to be stronger and more important right? Well she proved you wrong in the most humiliating way possible! Sorry dude. but I just don't buy this idea that you go to a hotel with a girl your still trying to impress and get blind drunk by yourself while she drinks nothing??? No, she overpowered you fair & square. You tried your hardest, but you were powerless to stop her and it had nothing to do with being drunk. You may as well accept it she is superior to you and you will never get even ha ha ha! Tasha
DeleteI love the way she bothered to drag you to the bathroom first before she peed on you. Showing consideration for the hotel staff, nice! Suze x
DeleteIn the down down of the writing, I assume that when you want to impress someone you want to be at your best, not "blind drunk"... There is nothing, and I mean nothing, more idiotic than to get drunk and then try to impress someone. Speaking for myself at least, when I see someone drunk I am not impressed, I rather am ready to catch him and save his ass if he happens to trip somewhere. Constantina
DeleteI’ve actually had my own look at this and I have to say it looks real! As we near the end of 2017 it seems that now girls make up on average 6% of active wrestlers, but 5 states have enough girls for girls-only teams and tournaments. E.g. California has 4505 girls to 22,383 boys making up 17%. (http://www.nfhs.org/ParticipationStatistics/ParticipationStatistics ) Still low. But as well as tournaments, wrestling teams from different schools compete in what is known as a "meet". In meets and also some tournaments in these states, girls still wrestle against boys. WhatI am seeing is due to the still low numbers of girls participating to fill the teams varsity spots, many middle school girls starting out their wrestling career go straight in to participates at high school Varsity level, when this happens they can no longer compete in a middle school level so they have to go against a high school senior. I looked at the results here, http://www.nwcaonline.com/stats-rankings/scoreboard-stat-tracker/#high-school-results I haven’t done a complete count just looked through to see a girls name against a boy to get a rough idea. Exactly as Ace says, not only are Middle school varsity Girls routinely beating senior boys in wrestling, they are creaming them! Reading the info on this blog (women’s tech advantages, the lfl thing where I saw trained women have 50% power to weight ratio than men) it is not surprising that adolescent girls whoop young adult males. Most people who don’t know would expect a senior male wrestler to be able to easily overpower girls this age but that's not what happens. These girls are destroying elite level boys! The boys have more experience and hence skill, so how can this be? I think girls who were gymnasts and cheerleaders before are encouraged at this age to walk into wrestling and beat out the older boys using pure strength advantage alone (e.g., the look on the cheerleaders faces in the photos of the cassy/kyle match) Even more impressive is in the current weight monitoring system at the high school level, boys have a distinct advantage. They are allowed to compete at 7 percent body fat, while girls must be at 12 percent. So the boys pound for pound have more muscle and after weigh in can come in a lot heavier than the girls they are competing against! Essentially we have 8th or 9th grade girls in their first or second year of wrestling beating up senior 11th and 12th grade guys who have been wrestling for 5 or 6 years! These girls are destroying guys bigger, older and more experienced than themselves! To further demonstrate this is from a tournament where 1 girl takes on 12 elite boys including state finalists and champion, I think you have already guessed who won! https://new.berecruited.com/athletes/1524239/photos/100154110
ReplyDeleteThere are a few comments from guys on this blog calling girls bullies I guess because of their growing success and reputation. I think the disrespect guys show girls to begin with is what provokes this mocking/bullying. What kind of taunt would a tiny eighth grade girl whisper into the ear of a bigger senior male wrestle she is looking down on after just pinning him in a hold he can’t escape. If you were a girl that had could defeat a man like that, what would you whisper? Of course they are enjoying it! A girl wrestler commented above “I've beaten every guy I have ever wrestled and I love seeing the looks on their faces when they realise they are losing to a girl.” Yet the guys aren’t gracious in defeat even though the contests should theoretically have all the odds stacked in their favour. Perhaps instead of hate and resentment males should treat females with more respect and just accept the fact that they have the biological advantage and as such are just better than us. Maybe guys should put sexism aside and support the superior athlete because surely watching the best players is what being a sports fan is all about? Dan the man
Something important to take from this is that as more girls take up wrestling to the point where they can form their own teams, they will dominate us even more. Practicing against girls is frustrating because it's a constant uphill battle for us boys. No matter how many times I try different strategies against girls, the result is always me getting pinned. It can be demoralizing, but it's also helpfufl because facing better opponents is how you improve. It may be the same sport, but girls are on another level on the mat. Without getting practice against girls, I think most boys will be surprised at how much stronger and more skilled their female opponents are, even with an age gap. Constantly being defeated by females in practice actually helps us keep up with them, as we get experience against stronger wrestlers. Once girls separate from boys entirely, competitions will become even more one sided.
DeleteAs for the bullying part, I think you summed it up well, we usually bring it on ourselves. I'll admit I've tried disrespecting girls before. I tried it to hide my real intimidation of them, but the girls always see through it. They just give a knowing smile that says, "I'm going to dominate you," and that's exactly what happens. We should start respecting our superiors real soon, because it won't be long before most people realize how much better girls are in sports.
That is exactly what seems to be happening with the girls only teams in those 5 states, they are creaming the boys teams in meets and making it look easy! The girl in the photo I linked, Alexandria Liles not only won a tournament against the top 12 boys in the state, finished the season 38-0 undefeated! This year we had another girl champion, McKayla Campbell, the first female to enter the Northwest Ohio wrestling League in 58 years of the sport won it on her debut convincingly https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/862157922387475379/ Do you actually have experience of competing against girls? Are the beatings as bad as they appear? Youtube is full of female victory matches while boy victories while there are rare which speaks for itself this is a good example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqGBk3IL7yw the guys are getting girl handled titally one of the commentators even makes the excuse that the girls were trained by men I quote “All the girls were trained by men. Now, go insert your tampon.” Jeez no wonder the girls are provoked to be nasty bullies! Dan the man
DeleteThat photo is a good illustration for wrestling in general. All the best boys and not one of them was able to stand to her female dominance. It's not even uncommon anymore, seeing a victorious girl with the defeated boys beneath her is a typical outcome in competitions.
DeleteWhat's funny about that excuse is that being trained by men is much more of a hinderance to girls than it is helpful. Maybe if we didn't make these claims the girls wouldn't be so nasty to us after coming out victorious.
If you don't have any experience competing against girls, then YouTube is a good example of how intergender matches are going. To put it simply, there's a lot of "girl handling" of boys. You're also right to use the term beatings instead of matches, as most are heavily one-sided (It goes without saying who does the dominating).